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Barbarian 07-20-2019 03:54 PM

EDC
 
Does anybody here edc the P 99?

PPS1980 07-20-2019 03:57 PM

Most days. I also carry the PPS and the LCP depending on clothing and activity.

imaoldfart 07-20-2019 04:11 PM

I carry the PPQ, P99 and MR9.....try to show em' all a little love.

P99 with Safariland, level III holster.
https://i.imgur.com/VyMM77q.jpg

MR9 4.5", set up for cross draw.
https://i.imgur.com/7d0DZwy.jpg

I've got the same holster with a modified muzzle plug for my 4" Q's.

balance 07-20-2019 07:07 PM

I carried a P99 for many years. Mostly it was a 1st gen 9mm model made in 1999. I shot 14k rounds through it after purchasing it used, with an unknown round count, and it never gave me any trouble other than a single factory round that had no gunpowder in it.

I liked the fact that on the P99 design, the decocker acts as a "striker block". Pressing the decocker into the slide blocks the path of the striker, so even if the trigger is pulled and the striker is released, the striker will not impact the primer on the chambered cartridge as long as the decocker is pressed and held into the slide. I held the decocker pressed into the slide every time I holstered the pistol after finding out about this.

Barbarian 07-20-2019 08:01 PM

Balance: That is truly interesting and informative. With the da option on the P 99 being around 7 to 8 lbs I kind of doubt if a stray piece of cloth or string is going to cause a ND; but your method of holstering is doubly cautious and reminds me of why I put my thumb on the top of the hammer of my HK P 2000 ( another of my favorites) when I holster it. There could be a time when someone forgets to click the da option to give them the heavier trigger pull on the P 99 and your method might save them from a bad accident ( often called Glock leg). Thank you for informing us of this safety method of holstering!

balance 07-20-2019 08:52 PM

I doubt it was designed with holstering in mind, but when decocking the pistol, the decocker button itself is what stops the forward movement of the striker when the tab on the top of the striker impacts it as it is pressed into the slide. The fact that it blocks or stops the striker is what makes it effective as a safety device while holstering.

olstyn 07-20-2019 09:33 PM

My P99c has been my primary carry gun for a long time, and I don't really see that changing any time soon. I occasionally carry the full size, but that's mainly to/from matches - it's my primary USPSA gun. If I ever make the switch to an appendix IWB holster, I would strongly consider carrying the full size as primary, but if I was going to do that, I would most likely buy a second copy before making a habit of it - I'd rather keep the high round count off of the gun that gets the nod for possible defensive use, and my full size P99 sees 3K+ rounds/year, and seemingly more every year, so I will eventually break something on it just through normal wear & tear. Also if I was going to carry it as primary, I'd feel compelled to clean it on a more regular basis than I currently do. (I tend to let it get thoroughly filthy before bothering to clean it because the gun just doesn't seem to care; it runs and runs and runs even with every internal piece coated in a thick, nasty layer of carbon.)

Barbarian 07-20-2019 11:03 PM

olstyn: Which classification do you shoot in USPSA with the P 99. Production? I would think the P 99 would be a hard pistol to shoot USPSA with.
Good to hear that the pistol is so durable, reliable, and dependable and will run dirty as sin. Walther bragged that this pistol was the one that would go anywhere. I have heard of one spec op guy that carried it ( i posted that some time ago here). Thanks for the post.

olstyn 07-21-2019 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Barbarian (Post 1204450)
olstyn: Which classification do you shoot in USPSA with the P 99. Production? I would think the P 99 would be a hard pistol to shoot USPSA with.

Typically Production, yes, though I've also run it in Limited in some "outlaw" matches for fun. What makes you think it would be hard to shoot USPSA with?

muckaleewarrior71 07-21-2019 09:48 AM

My regular P99 serves as a secondary HD gun even though it has the absolute smoothest trigger out the box of all my Walthers including my PPQ. MY P99c normally serves as my EDC but I’ve been giving it a break in favor of my PPS M2 since Memorial Day. If I was into open or OWB carry I’d carry the P99 but that’s not the case at this point.

Barbarian 07-21-2019 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by olstyn (Post 1204492)
Typically Production, yes, though I've also run it in Limited in some "outlaw" matches for fun. What makes you think it would be hard to shoot USPSA with?


It is such a light pistol I would think it would be hard to control especially when you are competing against such pistols as the Glock 34, Glock 17.
Not too mention the high bore axis making it give a bit more muzzle flip. If you can do well with it against those pistols that is awesome and you have my admiration.

olstyn 07-21-2019 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Barbarian (Post 1204500)
It is such a light pistol I would think it would be hard to control especially when you are competing against such pistols as the Glock 34, Glock 17.
Not too mention the high bore axis making it give a bit more muzzle flip. If you can do well with it against those pistols that is awesome and you have my admiration.

I think bore axis is given more weight than it deserves by a lot of people.

An unloaded P99 weighs less than half an ounce less than an unloaded G17. There is effectively no difference there. Even the G34 is only about 1.5 ounces heavier than the P99. The G17 has a 1/2 inch longer barrel, so you can probably get the same velocity out of maybe 0.1 grain less powder, and of course the G34 takes that a little farther, but those are pretty small differences too. Either way you're talking about lightly loaded competition ammo, so recoil is pretty minimal across the board. I've never personally found the muzzle flip of the full size P99 to be any big deal, but I started out competing with my P99c because it was all I had at the time, so maybe my perspective is skewed by that experience.

I'm at the mid to high end of C class, so I'm no high-level competitor, but I certainly don't feel like people shooting Glocks have any particular advantage or disadvantage vs me related to the difference in which gun we're shooting. The steel-framed CZs that dominate Production, maybe those are a significant enough difference to notice, but I really dislike the whole manual decocking dance they have to do. It just strikes me as an unnecessary opportunity to hurt yourself and get DQed simultaneously. (Yes, I know it can be and is done safely on a regular basis, but it only takes slipping up once.)

Jan whitaker 07-21-2019 04:36 PM

My normal carry pistols are, ppk pps. And p99, depending on the weather.

Barbarian 07-21-2019 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by olstyn (Post 1204512)
I think bore axis is given more weight than it deserves by a lot of people.

An unloaded P99 weighs less than half an ounce less than an unloaded G17. There is effectively no difference there. Even the G34 is only about 1.5 ounces heavier than the P99. The G17 has a 1/2 inch longer barrel, so you can probably get the same velocity out of maybe 0.1 grain less powder, and of course the G34 takes that a little farther, but those are pretty small differences too. Either way you're talking about lightly loaded competition ammo, so recoil is pretty minimal across the board. I've never personally found the muzzle flip of the full size P99 to be any big deal, but I started out competing with my P99c because it was all I had at the time, so maybe my perspective is skewed by that experience.

I'm at the mid to high end of C class, so I'm no high-level competitor, but I certainly don't feel like people shooting Glocks have any particular advantage or disadvantage vs me related to the difference in which gun we're shooting. The steel-framed CZs that dominate Production, maybe those are a significant enough difference to notice, but I really dislike the whole manual decocking dance they have to do. It just strikes me as an unnecessary opportunity to hurt yourself and get DQed simultaneously. (Yes, I know it can be and is done safely on a regular basis, but it only takes slipping up once.)

Perhaps but the axis does make a difference.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...34A9&FORM=VIRE
I also find that the P 99 is somewhat muzzle light and guys that shoot the Glocks in USPSA often put Vanek trigger kits in them giving them a trigger that stays in the same place ( unlike the da sa P 99) and a much lighter trigger to manipulate. They may also put a tungsten or stainless steel guide rod in them adding to the weight. In the Glocks there seems to be more weight forward of the trigger housing than in the P 99.
I am planning to shoot IDPA with a TLR - 7 attached my P 99 to give some weight to the muzzle. My fastest times in IDPA matches have been with an all steel 1911 and a Glock 17 with a Vanek trigger kit installed. I cannot comment on the CZs as I am not all that familiar with them and their decockers. I do own three and don't particularly care for them.
You are doing well with the P 99 and I admire you for that!!!

olstyn 07-22-2019 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Barbarian (Post 1204626)
Perhaps but the axis does make a difference.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...34A9&FORM=VIRE

Oh, I'm not saying it makes no difference, just that I think in many cases, people are making a mountain out of a molehill with regard to bore axis. After all, plenty of people perform at very high levels with the SIG P226/P229, and they have an even higher bore axis. As long as you put some effort into gripping properly, you can do fine with any of them.

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I also find that the P 99 is somewhat muzzle light and guys that shoot the Glocks in USPSA often put Vanek trigger kits in them giving them a trigger that stays in the same place ( unlike the da sa P 99) and a much lighter trigger to manipulate.
IMO the P99's trigger is excellent and doesn't need anything changed. Your opinion and mileage may vary, of course.

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They may also put a tungsten or stainless steel guide rod in them adding to the weight.
The same options are available for the P99. BT Guiderods for steel, and Walther makes a tungsten rod for the PPQ which should work fine in the P99 as well, so no difference in the two platforms there.

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I cannot comment on the CZs as I am not all that familiar with them and their decockers. I do own three and don't particularly care for them.
The issue I have with the CZs is that the models which are popular for competition use (the Shadow and Shadow 2, which are both heavy steel frame super slicked up/accurized versions of the CZ 75) do not have decockers, so you have to carefully lower the hammer by hand. This of course presents you with the opportunity for an unintentional discharge leading to DQ and possible injury. If I'm going to shoot a DA/SA gun, I'd much rather use a P99, a Beretta 92, a SIG, or an HK simply for the fact that decocking on load and make ready will never result in an unexpected loud noise, whereas with a CZ, there is a nonzero chance of that on every stage.

P99Freak 07-24-2019 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by balance (Post 1204410)
I carried a P99 for many years. Mostly it was a 1st gen 9mm model made in 1999. I shot 14k rounds through it after purchasing it used, with an unknown round count, and it never gave me any trouble other than a single factory round that had no gunpowder in it.

I liked the fact that on the P99 design, the decocker acts as a "striker block". Pressing the decocker into the slide blocks the path of the striker, so even if the trigger is pulled and the striker is released, the striker will not impact the primer on the chambered cartridge as long as the decocker is pressed and held into the slide. I held the decocker pressed into the slide every time I holstered the pistol after finding out about this.


This is gold, thanks!!!

Barbarian 07-25-2019 10:02 AM

[QUOTE=olstyn;1204815]Oh, I'm not saying it makes no difference, just that I think in many cases, people are making a mountain out of a molehill with regard to bore axis. After all, plenty of people perform at very high levels with the SIG P226/P229, and they have an even higher bore axis. As long as you put some effort into gripping properly, you can do fine with any of them.

Muzzle flip makes a hell of difference to me making it much harder to control the pistol; but then I come from an era when the 1911 was king of the hill in USPSA. I watched the IDPA nationals last night and I noticed the 1911 was the most used pistol there. The Sig 226 and 229 are heavy pistols and that negates some of the recoil experienced with them. The P 99 is a light pistol.

IMO the P99's trigger is excellent and doesn't need anything changed. Your opinion and mileage may vary, of course.

I agree it has a good trigger; but it does not have the short reset of the 1911 or the lightness of the Vanek trigger kit which is solely designed for a competition Glock. A Glocks trigger does not require the da pull to sa pull; but stays in the same place making it an easier pistol to shoot. How many other P 99s do you see used in your matches?
One of the reasons I like the P 99 is the good trigger it has for a carry gun and the safety of a da first shot. No Glock leg with that pistol; but it has drawbacks in a match.

Thinkology 07-25-2019 02:55 PM

I finally quit carrying my P5 in favor of the P99. I primarily carry the P99c but when clothing permits will carry the full size.

I’ve really tried to like the PPS that others have mentioned and still have one, but I’ve just never warmed up to the trigger enough to stick with it for EDC.

imaoldfart 07-30-2019 03:51 PM

Picked up another Safariland, Level III holster. This one is the same model as for my P99, but is specifically for the PPQ. I just finished installing a 'magwell' on the Q, trimming the rubber grip sleeve and adapting another P-226 20 round mag to work with the PPQ M1.

I'm loving 'open carry' now. Sooooo much more comfortable and accessible.

I think my doggies approve.

https://i.imgur.com/q3JAYmJ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UqRqKyf.jpg

UniversalExports 07-30-2019 06:00 PM

Usual carry: P99c AS

Previous alternates: PPK/S .380 (winter); PPK 32 (summer)

Current alternates: Colt Mustang Lite .380 (winter); Beretta 3032 Tomcat .32 (summer)

Occasional carry: Beretta 84FSor 85FS .380; FNH FNX-9; various SiG P22(x) pistols 9mm and .45

Probable future edition to the mix: Full-size P99; Colt 1991A1 .38 Super +P (hiking); Rock Island Armory Ultra FS 10mm (hiking brown bear country)

Home defense: FNH FNX-45

Jimbo80 07-30-2019 10:30 PM

My P99 AS SC is my carry gun where and when my 7.65 PPK may be a little overmatched.

Deadheadmatt 07-30-2019 10:36 PM

P99c AS in 40S&W in a clinger IWB holster most days.

olsoul 07-31-2019 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Barbarian (Post 1204356)
Does anybody here edc the P 99?

Every so often I'll carry my P99. My preferred carry is in a Wright Regulator. It is all day comfortable, great for driving and concealable.

I also have a Safariland Level III when I absolutely must.

P99 is a great workhorse and has been for years. Every so often folks require a DA/SA type weapon and out will come the P99 rather than a revolver.

Every so often in the summer I'll carry it when it is hot and I want something slimmer than my PPQ.

olstyn 08-02-2019 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Barbarian (Post 1205116)
I agree it has a good trigger; but it does not have the short reset of the 1911

I've only shot a 2011 (competition-oriented double-stack 1911) once, and I was mainly paying attention to how much it felt like cheating overall, so I didn't notice the reset; how much shorter are we talking about? The P99 and PPQ's reset is *maybe* 1/8 inch, which is pretty darn short.

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or the lightness of the Vanek trigger kit which is solely designed for a competition Glock. A Glocks trigger does not require the da pull to sa pull; but stays in the same place making it an easier pistol to shoot.
CZ Shadow/Shadow2 and the various Tanfoglio Stock II/Stock III guns dominate the high end of USPSA Production division, and they're DA/SA. The idea that DA/SA is a disadvantage is a red herring.

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How many other P 99s do you see used in your matches?
Basically zero, but plenty of PPQs, which are arguably the same gun with the DA and decocker removed, rendering them SAO.

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One of the reasons I like the P 99 is the good trigger it has for a carry gun and the safety of a da first shot. No Glock leg with that pistol; but it has drawbacks in a match.
Between the Walther and Glock polymer framed offerings, the only advantage I really see the Glocks having [for competition] is more aftermarket customization support. Given how reliable stock Glocks are and how many aftermarket modified ones I've seen have various issues at matches, I'm not sure that's actually an advantage.

Also, have you actually shot a P99 in a match, or are you theorycrafting? I will freely grant that if you're not used to the paddle mag release and/or the DA first shot, those things may present a learning curve, but in terms of performance of experienced shooters who have had a chance to acclimate to the guns in question, I sincerely doubt you'd see much real-world performance delta between a Glock and a P99, or an XD, or a SIG, or an HK, or any number of other well-made service-sized pistols. The CZs might be an exception, simply because they provide small edges in almost every category - they're heavy, the triggers are light, crisp, and can be made even better with some careful polishing of parts, they're exceptionally mechanically accurate, etc., but even those things are only going to provide small % gains, and generally only for very high-level competitors.

In my opinion, it's going to come down to personal preference. I'm not trying to tell you that you're wrong for choosing to compete with a Glock, but I think you *are* wrong to think that it gives you a huge advantage vs. someone who makes a different choice.

Barbarian 08-03-2019 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by olstyn (Post 1206260)
I've only shot a 2011 (competition-oriented double-stack 1911) once, and I was mainly paying attention to how much it felt like cheating overall, so I didn't notice the reset; how much shorter are we talking about? The P99 and PPQ's reset is *maybe* 1/8 inch, which is pretty darn short.

I agree it is pretty short on the P 99, but not as short as the 1911. I have read some stats in Front sight which indicated the 2011 is one of the most popular frames in USPA matches. I suspect that is because of the 1911 trigger. I am not as up on the guns used in USPSA as I quit shooting it years ago. So I will bow to your knowledge on that.

CZ Shadow/Shadow2 and the various Tanfoglio Stock II/Stock III guns dominate the high end of USPSA Production division, and they're DA/SA. The idea that DA/SA is a disadvantage is a red herring.

I looked a the Shadow for the first time the other day at the large lgs here. It had a very slick da and a very light sa with a short reset. It was a heavy pistol that seemed to be made for competition and not as an edc.

Basically zero, but plenty of PPQs, which are arguably the same gun with the DA and decocker removed, rendering them SAO.

I suspect zero because of their light weight and that they were made for every day carry and not for competition. I would disagree with you on the PPQ. The PPQ has a sa trigger which is very light from the get go with no da pull, a really short and nice reset which almost rivals the 1911, and is a much easier pistol to shoot fast. I have used both and find the PPQ the easier pistol to shoot.


Between the Walther and Glock polymer framed offerings, the only advantage I really see the Glocks having [for competition] is more aftermarket customization support.


No argument from me on that one.


Given how reliable stock Glocks are and how many aftermarket modified ones I've seen have various issues at matches, I'm not sure that's actually an advantage.


You have a good point. The only Glocks I have seen that have issues are the ones that the shooter has modified. Leave it as is and it is extremely reliable. With all the new pistols coming out I think the days of when Sevigny pulled a box stock Glock 34 out of the box and won production with it are long past. I see from some stats Glock is no longer popular in USPSA as it used to be and not used as much in the Nationals. Giving the devil its due it is still the choice of Delta Force, Seals and Recon Marines plus the FBI, Border Patrol and now the Secret Service in addition to 70% of US police officers and countless other users. I have to say I am not a fan because of safety issues. I prefer the HK P 2000, the P 99, or my custom 1911s.

Also, have you actually shot a P99 in a match, or are you theorycrafting?


Oh yes I have shot the P 99 and the PPQ in matches and been through tactical courses with the PPQ.


I will freely grant that if you're not used to the paddle mag release and/or the DA first shot, those things may present a learning curve, but in terms of performance of experienced shooters who have had a chance to acclimate to the guns in question, I sincerely doubt you'd see much real-world performance delta between a Glock and a P99, or an XD, or a SIG, or an HK, or any number of other well-made service-sized pistols.




That is a lot of territory to cover. The paddle release is faster than the button which is why I like and have no problems with it. Glocks giving a lower bore axis and less muzzle flip can be run faster. I went through several tactical courses some years ago with an XD. XDs are heavy guns and give less muzzle flip also. So they are, to me, easier pistols to shoot.
The Sigs are also very heavy guns and that absorbs a lot of recoil even though they have a high bore axis. None are as light as the P 99 which makes it a bit harder to control.


The CZs might be an exception, simply because they provide small edges in almost every category - they're heavy, the triggers are light, crisp, and can be made even better with some careful polishing of parts, they're exceptionally mechanically accurate, etc., but even those things are only going to provide small % gains, and generally only for very high-level competitors.


No argument from me on the mechanics - except those factors you listed, to me, provide more than small edges to novices as well as experienced shooters.

In my opinion, it's going to come down to personal preference.


100% agreement with you on that.


I'm not trying to tell you that you're wrong for choosing to compete with a Glock, but I think you *are* wrong to think that it gives you a huge advantage vs. someone who makes a different choice.


I sometimes compete with a Glock; but I have been getting away from doing so. I like to compete with what a I carry as an edc and that is a HK P 2000 ( which has an action job by Lazy Wolf), a custom lightweight 1911 9mm commander, and the P 99 which I like because other than sights and a Hogue rubber slip on grip needs no gunsmithing ( which really endears it to me). I choose these pistols because they are very safe and easily guard against NDs which are primarily caused by fatigue or distraction. Distraction I can guard against but not fatigue. A unholstered Glock gives me the safety heebie jeebies. Until Glock puts a thumb safety on the pistol It will not be my edc. That is just me being ultra cautious and being that way makes me like the P 99 more. I either want safeties as on the 1911 or da sa for the first shot as a safety precaution.

Barbarian 08-03-2019 01:51 PM

Olystyn: What is in blue are some of my answers to your post. Sorry I missed that up.

Barbarian 08-03-2019 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by olstyn (Post 1206260)
I've only shot a 2011 (competition-oriented double-stack 1911) once, and I was mainly paying attention to how much it felt like cheating overall, so I didn't notice the reset; how much shorter are we talking about? The P99 and PPQ's reset is *maybe* 1/8 inch, which is pretty darn short.

I cannot give you an exact estimate; but the reset on a 1911 is extremely short. Try one.

CZ Shadow/Shadow2 and the various Tanfoglio Stock II/Stock III guns dominate the high end of USPSA Production division, and they're DA/SA. The idea that DA/SA is a disadvantage is a red herring.

Yes it has been some time since I shot USPSA so I am not up to date as to the pistols used. I looked at a Shadow the other day at my large lgs. It impresses me as a very heavy pistol, slicked up quite a bit for competition and not a pistol anyone would edc.

Basically zero, but plenty of PPQs, which are arguably the same gun with the DA and decocker removed, rendering them SAO.

The PPQ is a much easier pistol to shoot with the trigger remaining in the same place and a very light pull.

Between the Walther and Glock polymer framed offerings, the only advantage I really see the Glocks having [for competition] is more aftermarket customization support. Given how reliable stock Glocks are and how many aftermarket modified ones I've seen have various issues at matches, I'm not sure that's actually an advantage.


I agree the only Glocks I have seen fail are the ones that have been tampered with. Gone are the days when Sevigny pulled a box stock Glock 34 out and won the Nationals with it in Production.

Also, have you actually shot a P99 in a match, or are you theorycrafting?


Oh yes I have shot the P 99 in matches and the PPQ. I went thru some tactical training with the PPQ.


I will freely grant that if you're not used to the paddle mag release and/or the DA first shot, those things may present a learning curve, but in terms of performance of experienced shooters who have had a chance to acclimate to the guns in question, I sincerely doubt you'd see much real-world performance delta between a Glock and a P99, or an XD, or a SIG, or an HK, or any number of other well-made service-sized pistols.


That is a lot of territory to cover. Different bore heights, weights, trigger pulls ( ie Legion Sig and regular Sig) can affect the performance quite a bit.


The CZs might be an exception, simply because they provide small edges in almost every category - they're heavy, the triggers are light, crisp, and can be made even better with some careful polishing of parts, they're exceptionally mechanically accurate, etc., but even those things are only going to provide small % gains, and generally only for very high-level competitors.


Pistols made for competition such as some CZs will have quite an edge over the P 99 even with equally skilled shooters.

In my opinion, it's going to come down to personal preference. I'm not trying to tell you that you're wrong for choosing to compete with a Glock, but I think you *are* wrong to think that it gives you a huge advantage vs. someone who makes a different choice.


Answered already.

ErichBaumer 08-12-2019 02:34 PM

Unless I need the PPS for specific roles that call for a smaller gun, I'm always carrying a P99 AS in a JM Custom Kydex AIWB holster.

Also, on the topic of competition, it's what I use for USPSA as well. Using my AIWB holster puts me in Limited Minor with a Production pistol, but I'm there less to compete and more to practice with what I carry. And so far I'm just at a small local match anyway.

J_PPKS 08-13-2019 08:07 AM

Pps m2 in the summer but P99c 40 in the cooler months. Both ride in Black Arch holsters.

crows 08-21-2019 04:33 PM

I have been carrying my P99c aiwb for a couple of years now. I think it is the better option for me than the full size P99. Why? Stick the 10rd mag in and it is perfect for concealed carry. For open carry, a full sized 15 or 16rd mag with the spacer. For me, the best of both worlds. Not to mention carrying a 15 or 16rd mag for a reload. To top it off I prefer the balance of the shorter length of the compact model. I know, it isn't a huge difference in length, but the balance feels better to me. Yes, I guess I am a fan .


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