Originally Posted by olstyn
I've only shot a 2011 (competition-oriented double-stack 1911) once, and I was mainly paying attention to how much it felt like cheating overall, so I didn't notice the reset; how much shorter are we talking about? The P99 and PPQ's reset is *maybe* 1/8 inch, which is pretty darn short.
I agree it is pretty short on the P 99, but not as short as the 1911. I have read some stats in Front sight which indicated the 2011 is one of the most popular frames in USPA matches. I suspect that is because of the 1911 trigger. I am not as up on the guns used in USPSA as I quit shooting it years ago. So I will bow to your knowledge on that.
CZ Shadow/Shadow2 and the various Tanfoglio Stock II/Stock III guns dominate the high end of USPSA Production division, and they're DA/SA. The idea that DA/SA is a disadvantage is a red herring.
I looked a the Shadow for the first time the other day at the large lgs here. It had a very slick da and a very light sa with a short reset. It was a heavy pistol that seemed to be made for competition and not as an edc.
Basically zero, but plenty of PPQs, which are arguably the same gun with the DA and decocker removed, rendering them SAO.
I suspect zero because of their light weight and that they were made for every day carry and not for competition. I would disagree with you on the PPQ. The PPQ has a sa trigger which is very light from the get go with no da pull, a really short and nice reset which almost rivals the 1911, and is a much easier pistol to shoot fast. I have used both and find the PPQ the easier pistol to shoot.
Between the Walther and Glock polymer framed offerings, the only advantage I really see the Glocks having [for competition] is more aftermarket customization support.
No argument from me on that one.
Given how reliable stock Glocks are and how many aftermarket modified ones I've seen have various issues at matches, I'm not sure that's actually an advantage.
You have a good point. The only Glocks I have seen that have issues are the ones that the shooter has modified. Leave it as is and it is extremely reliable. With all the new pistols coming out I think the days of when Sevigny pulled a box stock Glock 34 out of the box and won production with it are long past. I see from some stats Glock is no longer popular in USPSA as it used to be and not used as much in the Nationals. Giving the devil its due it is still the choice of Delta Force, Seals and Recon Marines plus the FBI, Border Patrol and now the Secret Service in addition to 70% of US police officers and countless other users. I have to say I am not a fan because of safety issues. I prefer the HK P 2000, the P 99, or my custom 1911s.
Also, have you actually shot a P99 in a match, or are you theorycrafting?
Oh yes I have shot the P 99 and the PPQ in matches and been through tactical courses with the PPQ.
I will freely grant that if you're not used to the paddle mag release and/or the DA first shot, those things may present a learning curve, but in terms of performance of experienced shooters who have had a chance to acclimate to the guns in question, I sincerely doubt you'd see much real-world performance delta between a Glock and a P99, or an XD, or a SIG, or an HK, or any number of other well-made service-sized pistols.
That is a lot of territory to cover. The paddle release is faster than the button which is why I like and have no problems with it. Glocks giving a lower bore axis and less muzzle flip can be run faster. I went through several tactical courses some years ago with an XD. XDs are heavy guns and give less muzzle flip also. So they are, to me, easier pistols to shoot.
The Sigs are also very heavy guns and that absorbs a lot of recoil even though they have a high bore axis. None are as light as the P 99 which makes it a bit harder to control.
The CZs might be an exception, simply because they provide small edges in almost every category - they're heavy, the triggers are light, crisp, and can be made even better with some careful polishing of parts, they're exceptionally mechanically accurate, etc., but even those things are only going to provide small % gains, and generally only for very high-level competitors.
No argument from me on the mechanics - except those factors you listed, to me, provide more than small edges to novices as well as experienced shooters.
In my opinion, it's going to come down to personal preference.
100% agreement with you on that.
I'm not trying to tell you that you're wrong for choosing to compete with a Glock, but I think you *are* wrong to think that it gives you a huge advantage vs. someone who makes a different choice.