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Old 11-17-2019, 11:52 AM   #1
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Which ammo do you recommend for using a P5C as kill shot pistol?

Now I own my P5C since two weeks and while the last 4 drive hunts I still carried my CZ P07 loaded with 9mm Luger Geco action extreme. That's the same cartridge as the Norma MHP, it has only another name in Europe (Geco is since some years parent of Norma). Fortunately I hadn't to use the CZ P07 while these hunts
Loaded in the CZ P07 I've made a very good experience with the Geco action extreme (Norma MHP). In summer this year it was necessary to kill a wounded boar with a kill shot - one shot with the Geco action extreme from a distance of 3 meters on the neck of the boar and "all was over".
Until now I hadn't the time to test my P5C on the range with the Geco action extreme - it's the time of drive hunts in Germany and the family, the house and the garden need always some attention as well.
Here on the forum are several owners of a P5C and I would like to hear about their experiences and their recommendations for a suitable ammo using the P5C as kill shot pistol.
Basically, any good ammo for self-defense is also a good ammo for the kill shot at a boar or deer.
Do you have experiences with the Geco action extreme (Norma MHP) in the P5C?
I've read in some comments and reports about the P5C and her sister P5, that they have sometimes problems with truncated cone- headed bullets.
What's about the Hornady critical duty or critical defense 9mm Luger? Their bullets have a similar contour like a truncated cone headed bullet.
Of course all experiences and recommendations concerning other kinds of 9mm Luger in the P5C are appreciated as well.
BTW I expressly exclude FMJ bullets. Their penetration capability is too high for my purpose and by that such ammunition endangers too much the environment in the case of a kill shot.

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Old 11-17-2019, 12:03 PM   #2
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For a close range "Gnadensto▀" there won't be much difference between various rounds, except as you note as the risks associated with FMJ.

PS: I remember how well it was to spot them with snow on the ground.

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Old 11-17-2019, 12:35 PM   #3
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Thank you for your answer.

But maybe I should ask it more explixitly:
Which jhp ammo or similar ammo is expressly not suitable for the P5C, especially because of jamming while feeding a new cartridge?
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Old 11-17-2019, 03:47 PM   #4
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My P5 and P5c are not picky at all about loads, bullet weight or type, etc. I have never had a FTF or FTE with any ammunition.

In general, Americans tend not to hunt deer with handguns, and in some states it isn’t allowed. Wild boar or feral hogs are hunted on occasion with handguns, although long guns are more typical. In both cases, 9 mm is at the low end of a round suitable for killing either animal reliably, especially out of typical handgun barrel lengths. Even fairly close, deer are a bit large to ensure one-shot kills and boar/hogs have a tough hide, limiting penetration.
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Old 11-17-2019, 04:23 PM   #5
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Gmork will answer for himself, but I believe by "kill shot" he means a "Gnadensto▀" or "Coup de grace" or more commonly in a hunting context, a "finishing shot."

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Gmork will answer for himself, but I believe by "kill shot" he means a "Gnadensto▀" or "Coup de grace" or more commonly in a hunting context, a "finishing shot."
Exactly.
Thank you for that clarification.
The original German term/word is "Fangschuss". It means the shot, which kills an animal finally - an animal, which was only wounded by a first shot from a rifle or by an accident with a car.
Of course I didn't know the English word for "Fangschuss" and by using Google translate I got "kill shot" as English translation. So I used it in my thread. I apologize, if it wasn't an appropiate translation.
BTW One more example of the sometimes poor abilities of translation programs.

To enlighten an ignorant German: What do mean the abreviations FTF and FTE?

For further clarification: Hunting with handguns is strictly forbidden in Germany. Only for a Fangschuss/finishing shot it's allowed to use a handgun.
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Used by themselves, these abreviations can be misleading and their use often requires clarification . . .

FTF = "failure to feed" (into the chamber), or less commonly "failure to fire."

FTE = "failure to eject" or "failure to extract." These are two different types of failures. (an extracted casing might still fail to eject)
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Old 11-17-2019, 08:08 PM   #8
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As you know, the Geco Extreme Action sure looks to have impressive expansion at 4:03. (I'll look for it here.)

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DE Pistole is correct about the ambiguity of using the acronyms FTF and FTE; none of the four have occurred with my P5 or P5 Compact. (I knew what I meant )

I read into Herr Mork’s question, of course he meant the kill shot. Apologies!
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ou are not going to receive a reliable answer on the forum. I have searched the threads and there are reports that the P5 and P5c do not reliably cycle JHP. I have searched the Internet to find reports that say to does and others that say it does not. I think the only way you will know for certain is to test the ammo in your P5c.

I do not own a P5 or P5C. MY WALTHER IS A PPS M2. It has a 3.2 inch barrel and the P5c has a 3.5 inch barrel. JHP expansion from a short barrel under 4" is not certain. I have found an ammo for my PPS M2 that expands reliably from my PPS M2. It is Winchester JHP 9mm 147 grain Defend ammo. It feeds properly all the time. I do not know if it will do that in a P5c. But if it does, it will accomplish what you need.
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