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Old 10-24-2019, 12:50 PM   #1
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today got it from the local store i go to every once in a while to see what they get. i went today for a different reason and saw this. 3 mags, walther laser addon but no case. a guy had passed away and they bought it from his estate sale

DE the thing with little n shield BB

stamps to tiny for cam it seems
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Old 10-24-2019, 02:57 PM   #2
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think this is a 3rd party guide rod, come to think of it the slide pull is alot closer to my pps gen1 than my other p22q. no where near the same as the pps obviously but this one is definitely crisper and much more force required
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Old 10-24-2019, 04:04 PM   #3
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added proofs. i cant tell what the one on the muzzle is, but it looks like theres a design similar to the other ones with n under, cause the would be emblem does have a smudged design
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Old 10-25-2019, 12:04 PM   #4
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That is an aftermarket recoil spring. I will have to check back but that seems to be a bit of an odd pistol. If I recall correctly by 2011 the P22Q model was out with PPQ ergonomics and a stronger slide. The pistol you have has the original grip and the original slide with P99 ergonomics. The weaker slide btw. The DE stands for Germany, the BB stands for the year ( 2011). Somewhere in 2010 or 2011 the pistol was changed to the Q ergonomics with several improvements, the most significant being the thicker slide. You could have a late original but it is possible the frame insert has been replaced. Does the pistol have a trigger lock? It shouldn't. The hammer was revised some years earlier with a slant across the tip to match the flat bottom side of the breech rail. The original grip had one slot, Q models have three rail slots. Check the extractor cutout at the chamber to make sure it isn't damaged. You have the 3.4" barrel model.

If the pistol has not been significantly filed on by someone it will have a lifetime warranty. You can purchase a brand new P22Q from places like Ky Gun Co for $225 if you watch....so, I wouldn't pay too much for it. I note they have S&W Shields in 9mm for $200 at present. How is Walther going to compete with that? 1917
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Old 10-25-2019, 12:08 PM   #5
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If I remember correctly, N in the SN indicated the 3.4" model and L was for the 5" model. Both share the same grip/frame. The 5" version simply has a 5" barrel, longer barrel sleeve and a weighted stabilizer that clamps on the exposed end of the longer barrel. At one time Walther sold the pistol with both barrels. You can still order a 5" barrel assembly and install it on any short barrel version. 1917
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Old 10-25-2019, 12:53 PM   #6
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trigger lock no just slide safety and mag gotta be in. i cant find any filing marks. do see some good FTE cart chomping going around

is there a positive gain from using this strong beefy guide rod in combo with the weaker slide. sounds familiar.

there are no visible cracks or damage to the slide, but i definitely feel sketchy shooting 1640fps cci stingers out of it.. even though high velocity is what it was made for.

the p99 ergo is what drew me to it, ive told you before i had an irrational love for that one. the last one i found i posted about was chrome and way over priced. but this one i walked out of the door with for 197$ 3 mags and laser included. i looked up the laser price yesterday and was kinda surprised, idk if accurate but ad i saw was 80 bucks
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Old 10-25-2019, 03:53 PM   #7
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The small scratch to the rear of the chamber block is of no importance. Your hammer is still stock. Note that there is more finish wear on the left side at the little point. I've never seen one that looks any different and it is due to the off-set pressure of the mainspring....in my opinion. Again....not significant. I do very lightly remove the tip where the wear is.....but that is just me. The original hammer profile ( yours is not one of them) was prone to hang up the forward moving slide as the tip would get caught in the small gap between the safety drum and rear of the breech block. I did many threads regarding this along with drawings and photos. Even discussed it with the Chief Engineer in Arnsberg. In about 2007 Walther revised the hammer face to the profile you currently see. It has not changed....although they did not get the angle exactly right and the now smaller tip can still hang the slide up.....sometimes. I would not modify it unless your slide is hanging up and not closing. This catch point seems to happen just about exactly when the recoil spring is exerting what little energy it has to strip a round from the magazine.

Don't waste any money on Stingers. They are faster, cost more, weight less and aren't accurate. Mini Mags and Rem Golden Bullets work fine. The fast copper CCI rounds work fine. The most powerful .22 ammo out there is CCI Velocitors. They work fine.....but not in my suppressed pistol. Don't know why.

The holes and recesses for the original trigger block that no one ever used is still inside and part of the frame. Only the key, keyhole and internal parts are missing with the Q models. It's still there incase Walther has to add it back at some point in the future. All they need is a hole again in the polymer grip for access.

Your sear is stock. This is an area where I do some work....lower the hooks and re-profile the hook face for a less positive engagement....but you have to know what you are doing here as there are no tools or guides for this. You can make an exceptional trigger though. I also install JB Weld over-travel and pre travel stops.....Hammer strut removed. I don't shoot DA anyway.

Your trigger bar ears are stock. The rear, top edge of your slide catch arm looks new.

A pistol that has been shot a lot and with poor cleaning, lubrication can have wear between the slide grooves and frame rails. This is most likely to occur at the slide's most rearward travel point. Too much wear can allow the hammer to lift the slide causing it to no longer cock the hammer. So, keep that area clean and very, very lightly lubed. I use dry powder moly myself and have one pistol with over 50K through it with no measurable wear.

Don't forget the pistol has a lifetime warranty. Unless you are interested in doing some modifications....hammer, trigger bar.....I'd clean, load and shoot. Be sure to keep the barrel nut tight...it is what holds the barrel tight against the frame and sleeve.

Regarding Ruger SR 22s.....they aren't getting very high marks at RimFireCentral nor is the new MK IV. Too many problems. You have an earlier pistol but in my opinion Walther has pretty much worked out the kinks in the P22. They still need a 5" version (solid slide), and to correct the hammer tip angle, and install an aluminum slide designed for sight options....like a small JPoint red dot. It is Walther's most popular pistol outselling all others combined from what was said at the SHOT show a few years ago. It looks like your pistol is in good condition. 1917
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Old 10-25-2019, 03:57 PM   #8
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Oh yeah, I never had any problem with the original long recoil spring myself and I do install a #83 O ring over it to buffer the slide's muzzle cup when it hits the face of the take down lever. This works great with the original slide system...it does not work well with the QD captive spring as the front washer chews into the O ring pretty quickly. I'm doubting that the aftermarket spring is any stronger than the stock one. Add too much spring strength and the slide won't cycle. It might feel stronger just because it is compressed. 1917
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Old 10-25-2019, 06:21 PM   #9
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thanks for all your hard work and info, i will take good care of it. happy with the buy, not happy that nothing in life feels more natural in my hand than the old p22 and wish i had a 9mm exact everything except weight and thickness obviously.. ive been avoiding the p99 because of the price tag.. but maybe it is time. we will see how long the pps and p22 occupy me

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Old 10-26-2019, 11:45 AM   #10
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If you like the feel of the P22 probably the closest pistols Wather makes to it would be the PPS and even more so the CCP. From where I sit the CCP is an unreliable design although the ergonomics are great. I'm still not convinced it is drop safe. The P22 is a plinker....the CCP a self defense firearm. I'm far less forgiving regarding function issues with such pistols. 1917
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