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Is the P99 RAD a possible build?

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#1 · (Edited)
Hi, Sorry but I should have named this thread "Is the P99 AS RAD a possible build. If you wouldn't mind going into dreamland for a moment but I believe many of us are alittle dissapointed that the P99Q is LEO/Military only. Ive been pondering the possibilities of building a Concept P99 Rad with the P99 slide and P99 AS Trigger System on a PPQ frame. I'm not as gun savey as many of those out there who are more mechanically inclined and know the walther system inside and out. I was hoping to get some feed back on the possibility of building such a gun.

Basicly a P99 Slide on a PPQ frame with the Fast Action trigger swapped out for the P99 DA/SA trigger system.

I Found these pictures of the exact gun I'm describing, Its Labeled P99 Rad but it has the P99 Slide.

http://en.fabrykabroni.pl/?d=126

http://guns.pl/blog/2012/01/09/nowa-fabryka-broni-pod-radomiem/

Is this mechanicly possible? Thanks for any of your thoughts.
 
#9 · (Edited)
The P99 RAD is the Polish government issued P99 for Polish LE and military only, built under licence by the local Radom factories. I very much doubt that it will ever be available for the public. :( Aside from this, I quite fail to see the added value of this type, when compared to the already available P99 variations... :confused:


 
#10 ·
Correct me if I am wrong anyone. But isnt the PPQ just the P99QA in a new skin??
The P99 QA was a partially pre-cocked pistol, where the trigger pull finished cocking and releasing the striker.

The PPQ is a SAO 100% pre-cocked pistol, where the trigger pull only releases the striker

I think of the PPQ as a SAO P99 in a new skin, since it uses what looks to be an identical sear housing.
 
#11 ·
Hi, Sorry but I should have named this thread "Is the P99 AS RAD a possible build. If you wouldn't mind going into dreamland for a moment but I believe many of us are alittle dissapointed that the P99Q is LEO/Military only. Ive been pondering the possibilities of building a Concept P99 Rad with the P99 slide and P99 AS Trigger System on a PPQ frame. I'm not as gun savey as many of those out there who are more mechanically inclined and know the walther system inside and out. I was hoping to get some feed back on the possibility of building such a gun.
Going into dreamland, I'm wondering with as similar as these pistols are, if the P99 AS internals could be put into a PPQ frame, with a P99 AS slide on top?

This is not something I'm really interested in trying, but it would be interesting how similar these pistols are internally, and if this would be possible.
 
#12 ·
Illmatic, do you simply want a P99AS with an updated PPQ frame?

If so, I've pondered this as well... a swap of the fire control assemblies, the slides, and possibly the triggers if need be; I think a relatively easy experiment if one were mechanically inclined and had a PPQ and a P99AS available. I personally wish Walther would "update" the P99 frame with the even more ergonomic frame of the PPQ.

If not, disregard the above.
 
#19 ·
I got a PM from Illmatic on this, but I am on my iPad, and I generally can only see part of the text at a time. So, I must have missed the concept of using the A/S slide.

If it fits on there AND can be taken off, maybe someone can give it a shot and see if the gun works. The lack of DA/SA is what stops me from getting a PPQ.
 
#14 ·
What version is that? According to the link below, there is no DA/SA RAD pistol.

From this link:

Rad Semiautomatic Pistol - Rad Semiautomatic Pistol,

The Rad pistol is available with DAO and QA enhanced-safety, “same-shot-every-shot” trigger mechanisms. The grip frame has an integrated mounting MIL-STD-1913 (Picatinny) rail for attaching tactical lights and laser sighting devices.
I can't see the decocking button (or if it has one), but I assume that picture is of the QA model RAD pistol. I think the OP was asking if there was an AS version (or DA/SA version) of this pistol available.

I'd assume that there isn't, unless either you mix and match parts from a PPQ and a P99 AS (if this actually is possible), or if Walther ever chooses to release the P99Q or other similar pistol that has a PPQ style frame with a DA/SA trigger.
 
#17 ·
Even so, I think these fellas just want to do it as a "Devil's Advocate" thing. If they prove that it can be done, there may be something here for the factory to try and market.

Obviously there are people interested in it. Not only us here on the forum.

I agree with what was posted above (Sorry I cant remember who said it), but if Walther would put the guts of a P99 AS on the more ergonomic frame of the PPQ, life would need little else in the gun world. Hahah.
 
#22 ·
I have done some of these things awhile back. I put the P99 Slide on the PPQ frame no problem. I racked the slide, cocking the striker, no problem. There was one kinda obvious problem though, the decocker doesn't work, But pulling the trigger did release the striker, allowing me to disassemble the gun and wipe the sweat from my forehead.
 
#23 ·
I have done some of these things awhile back. I put the P99 Slide on the PPQ frame no problem. I racked the slide, cocking the striker, no problem. There was one kinda obvious problem though, the decocker doesn't work, But pulling the trigger did release the striker, allowing me to disassemble the gun and wipe the sweat from my forehead.
The decocker worked on mine when I had the P99 AS slide on the PPQ frame. I also tried the pencil test and it shot it across the room, so I'd imagine that it would function this way.

There is a slight difference in the frames of the P99 and PPQ because of the different trigger safeties that are used in the two pistols. The P99 AS has a little more polymer cut out from where the trigger protrudes from the frame because that is the area that the trigger safety hits if the trigger bar is pulled back without pulling the trigger. It wouldn't be too hard to cut this area of the PPQ frame to match the P99 AS frame, but I'd imagine that just swapping parts would cause the trigger safety (or really the drop safety) to become useless, as the trigger wouldn't pivot down to block movement.

Other than that, just looking at the frames and internals, I think it is possible to do it.
 
#29 ·
As long as the pins for the PPQ & the P99AS are in the same location on the frame, the internals can be swapped. The trigger clearance issue that Balance mentioned would need to be addressed. The top end of the P99AS has already been tested to fit the PPQ frame, so that's not an issue.

If you want a P99AS with a PPQ frame, you'd need to buy both guns, make the modifications and then you could attempt to sell off the remaining parts. You could also buy the PPQ and try to buy the AS upper and internals, but I think it would be cheaper to buy a used P99AS than to try to buy new parts.

The other option, of course, is to bombard Walther, Germany, not S&W, with requests for them to either update the AS. As the updates are cosmetic, I don't think they'd have any issues with ATF approval, where trying to get the P99Q approved, for instance, would be a cost that they are probably not willing to take on, because they consider the market to be satisfied with the AS.

If they would update the AS, I would buy a new one. I'd want them to update the C as well. If they did that, then the possibility of a PPQc would increase.
 
#30 · (Edited)
As long as the pins for the PPQ & the P99AS are in the same location on the frame, the internals can be swapped. The trigger clearance issue that Balance mentioned would need to be addressed. The top end of the P99AS has already been tested to fit the PPQ frame, so that's not an issue.

If you want a P99AS with a PPQ frame, you'd need to buy both guns, make the modifications and then you could attempt to sell off the remaining parts. You could also buy the PPQ and try to buy the AS upper and internals, but I think it would be cheaper to buy a used P99AS than to try to buy new parts.
Thanks for the info, Your probably right about the pins. I wouldn't move forward with this experiment unless all parts fit in perfectly. I guess I could work with the trigger fit, doesn't seem like too much of a problem. I'm 50/50 whether I will ever do this, but if I do, I will share my progress with you guys. I will be very careful in testing this idea. Like I said, I will use twine to pull the trigger from a safe distance, probably behind a tree or something. We'll See. Thanks everyone for your thoughts.
 
#31 ·
I posted this in the "Future of the P99" sticky, however I find it pertinent to our discussion. My complete inquiry to Walther Germany, noting the similar mechanics of the two frames and other updates to their product line, can be found there.

No it's not scheduled to produce the P99AS in the PPQ design. Yes it's right that the complete P22 line was redesigned but not the civil P99AS. Sorry
Best regards
Carl Walther GmbH
Germany
 
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