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Old 01-16-2020, 02:09 PM   #1
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Training and ammo cost?

Hey Everyone,

I have not been shooting like I used to. I had a flexible work schedule and a nice range close by. I managed 3-5 visits a week. I was reloading and had enough disposable income that ammo costs were not an issue.

Fast forward to today.... My reloading bench is gone and I am on a fixed income. I am trying to get back into regular practice of training and regular range visits.

Unfortunately factory ammo prices are killing me.

I have been considering a .22 pistol for practice due to the cheaper ammo.

Is this a good idea? I would prefer training with the gun and ammo that I carry but it just is not practical.

I am considering replacing my PPK with a PPS. What would you recommend for a .22 trainer that would most closely compare to the PPS?

Thanks.
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Old 01-16-2020, 03:31 PM   #2
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I suggest a Walther P22 if you decide to go with a .22 practice gun. I have a P22 Target that I use when my grandsons come to the range with me. It doesn't like cheap ammo, but it will still save you some bucks.


I had ammo cost issues too, but I didn't want to practice defensive skills using a .22. Therefore, to address the cost issue and my training need, I plan my range day with a limited amount of ammo focusing on two or three skill drills per session.



I also take notes on the gun(s) I'm shooting to help plan the next session or pinpoint a need to focus on in the future. The note taking helps me stay focused on the plan, gives me time to relax between drills, and I feel I'm getting more bang for my buck.
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Old 01-16-2020, 03:34 PM   #3
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your post strikes home for me. I am 77, and once upon a time ammo costs were negligible in my budget. That was then, but now I have to watch my expenses carefully because of a fixed income that does not grow as fast an inflation of many basic needs. Oh that I were rich, but I am not.

Four years ago I bought a M&P 22 Compact for practice since I carried a M&P 9mm Compact. I must say that was a waste of $350 plus the cost of 22 LR ammo. There is no similarity between the two there than physical size.

What I found was that as I shot the 22 more and more I lost the feel of shooting the 9mm. I sold the 22 and went back to the 9mm exclusively. Clearly the 22 would be a good way for the novice shooter to learn, but it is not a good way for the experienced shooter to practice.

My course of action was set by my perceived need. I was not interested in being target shooter. If I had been I would have kept the 22. I had a gun for self defense, and that is nor similar to target shooting. I spent a lot of time researching best training practices for personal self defense. Too me that meant training for the most likely scenario, an encounter from face-to-face out to 25 feet, one-on-one with an armed adversary. I had plenty of training in the Corps for shooting and scooting from cover to cover, and realizing that was not what I would ever likely face in my civilian life I just trained and practiced for the likely scenario as I mentioned above.

The cost of ammunition was a concern since I believe one should train with the same ammo that they might have to use in a real life situation. After extensive research I settled on Winchester Train & Defend 147 gr 9mm ammo. Both round have the same weight and ballistic characteristics. The train ammo is inexpensive compared to the Defend ammo. I bought it and shot it an could not distinguish between the two rounds when fired. The FNJ and JHP rounds were the same except for expansion.

Then I decided to employ practicing for CQB situations. They are the most likely to be encountered in civilian life. That meant training for incapacitating hits rather than tight groups. I expend my training ammo to improve my ability to hit in the most lethal center mass areas. I recently began practicing for proficiency at head shots up to 25 feet. It takes little ammo to gain proficiency if you are take your time and think about it.
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22LR allows you to practice aiming properly and good trigger discipline and control. It does not substitute for putting rounds through your carry weapon, it supplements it. I shoot 22LR regularly but I also put 100 rounds through my carry weapon at least 2x/month (if not more).
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Hey Everyone,

I have not been shooting like I used to. I had a flexible work schedule and a nice range close by. I managed 3-5 visits a week. I was reloading and had enough disposable income that ammo costs were not an issue.

Fast forward to today.... My reloading bench is gone and I am on a fixed income. I am trying to get back into regular practice of training and regular range visits.

Unfortunately factory ammo prices are killing me.

I have been considering a .22 pistol for practice due to the cheaper ammo.

Is this a good idea? I would prefer training with the gun and ammo that I carry but it just is not practical.

I am considering replacing my PPK with a PPS. What would you recommend for a .22 trainer that would most closely compare to the PPS?

Thanks.
Practicing with a gun that isn't your carry gun isn't practice. Shooting a .22 is good for learning fundamentals and recreation but that is all. I order ammo from sportmansguide, anything over $50 is free shipping. I buy the cheapest range ammo my gun will run. Black friday is also another good time to stock ammo. You can get a year's supply or more for 50% off. Also if money is tight I consider ammo a part of my grocery budget which is a necessity. I will not purchase things I don't need (coffee, chips, drinks) over not purchasing ammo.

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Pnw_steve,

like you I used to shoot a lot in the 1990s, a hundred .38 Special reloads did cost me around $5 and 9mm and .45 were not that much more. I was just reminded by a friend that I shot 3,500 rounds a months back in the days that I competed in dynamic shooting competitions.
In the last decade, I have slowed my shooting exercise down, having gone on average only once a week as my job involved heavy international travel.

I do not agree with previous posters that a .22 l.r. is only a tool for beginners to learn basics, or for leisure, while the "serious" shooter practices with his carry gun only. For me the .22 l.r. is a part of my training routine. It is the gun that I shoot 50 rounds through to warm up, from target transitions, rapid fire, all the way to 25 yards accuracy.

If someone cannot shoot a .22, he will not be impressive with a centerfire, either, and currently I am going shooting again at least twice a week at a busy range and have not been impressed by the shooting I have seen.
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Pnw_steve,

like you I used to shoot a lot in the 1990s, a hundred .38 Special reloads did cost me around $5 and 9mm and .45 were not that much more. I was just reminded by a friend that I shot 3,500 rounds a months back in the days that I competed in dynamic shooting competitions.
In the last decade, I have slowed my shooting exercise down, having gone on average only once a week as my job involved heavy international travel.

I do not agree with previous posters that a .22 l.r. is only a tool for beginners to learn basics, or for leisure, while the "serious" shooter practices with his carry gun only. For me the .22 l.r. is a part of my training routine. It is the gun that I shoot 50 rounds through to warm up, from target transitions, rapid fire, all the way to 25 yards accuracy.

If someone cannot shoot a .22, he will not be impressive with a centerfire, either, and currently I am going shooting again at least twice a week at a busy range and have not been impressed by the shooting I have seen.
Warming up on a .22 is not the same as only training on it and pretending it handles the same as your carry gun. When I qualify we have to use our carry guns and there is a reason for that. No one is shooting a .22 at qualifications because it doesn't do a great job at mimicking other rounds. If you only train on a .22 and try qualifying with a .45 good luck, not going to pass. Just changing your trigger will change your accuracy regardless of recoil, let alone caliber.
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