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Old 10-08-2019, 07:44 PM   #1
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Hellcat vs Sig 365 Review - Shot both today

So, I have some experience with the 365, don’t own one yet, but I do have an SAS on order.

I did put 50 rounds through a HC today and another 50 through a 365 XL.

Wanted to share some thoughts on both....

I wanted to hate the HC, but I just couldn’t. The two guns are very similar. So let’s focus on the differences:

- The HC sights are very unique and much more visible than those on the 365. The HC sights seemed a lot better for fast acquisition but made the gun a little harder to shoot more accurately.

- Felt recoil and muzzle flip seemed exactly the same. With eyes closed, I don’t think anyone could tell the difference. Even with the higher bore axis in the HC.

- The HC feels a little fatter. And as such, I think the grip was a bit....wait for it....better.

- The 365 was a lot easier to shoot more precisely...for sure. But with a little practice the HC groups improved.

- The triggers are very similar. But the Sig trigger was better. And by better, I mean that the break seemed more crisp and defined. But in actual shooting, it was hard to discern.

Let me be frank......the two guns seem a horse a piece. The Sig should be a better gun, but I honestly think they are so close that it will come down to personal preference. For that reason, I was surprised.

I think that Springfield really executed their gun pretty darn good. While it hasn’t stood the test of time yet unlike the 365, which is a platform that initially had issues.

Accuracy of the two guns was similar but the 365 was better. I am sharing two targets below. Each has 25 rounds fired at it. 10 rounds at 15 ft, 10 rounds at 25 ft and 5 rounds at 50 ft. The HC could t keep up with the Sig at 50 ft, but most of that I think was due to the sights. For a carry gun 50ft is really pointless.

Had I had more time I would have done my 6 dot transition drill which would have been a better evaluation.

The fliers on the HC were all at 50 ft. And yes....was shooting left. Ugh. All shots were fired two handed unsupported.

I would consider my shooting skills pretty solid. I would need a little more time.
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Old 10-08-2019, 10:52 PM   #2
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So, I have some experience with the 365, donít own one yet, but I do have an SAS on order.

I did put 50 rounds through a HC today and another 50 through a 365 XL.

Wanted to share some thoughts on both....

I wanted to hate the HC, but I just couldnít. The two guns are very similar. So letís focus on the differences:

- The HC sights are very unique and much more visible than those on the 365. The HC sights seemed a lot better for fast acquisition but made the gun a little harder to shoot more accurately.

- Felt recoil and muzzle flip seemed exactly the same. With eyes closed, I donít think anyone could tell the difference. Even with the higher bore axis in the HC.

- The HC feels a little fatter. And as such, I think the grip was a bit....wait for it....better.

- The 365 was a lot easier to shoot more precisely...for sure. But with a little practice the HC groups improved.

- The triggers are very similar. But the Sig trigger was better. And by better, I mean that the break seemed more crisp and defined. But in actual shooting, it was hard to discern.

Let me be frank......the two guns seem a horse a piece. The Sig should be a better gun, but I honestly think they are so close that it will come down to personal preference. For that reason, I was surprised.

I think that Springfield really executed their gun pretty darn good. While it hasnít stood the test of time yet unlike the 365, which is a platform that initially had issues.

Accuracy of the two guns was similar but the 365 was better. I am sharing two targets below. Each has 25 rounds fired at it. 10 rounds at 15 ft, 10 rounds at 25 ft and 5 rounds at 50 ft. The HC could t keep up with the Sig at 50 ft, but most of that I think was due to the sights. For a carry gun 50ft is really pointless.

Had I had more time I would have done my 6 dot transition drill which would have been a better evaluation.

The fliers on the HC were all at 50 ft. And yes....was shooting left. Ugh. All shots were fired two handed unsupported.

I would consider my shooting skills pretty solid. I would need a little more time.
WaterDR, Thanks for taking the time to write a pretty detailed shooting comparison of the two guns.

Now that you've shot it, could you see yourself owning and carrying an HC?
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Old 10-08-2019, 11:07 PM   #3
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In a word.....sure. I would have no issues with that.

I also think SA has a way of giving away a lot of product (such as magazines) with their guns too. Just give it a little time.
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And the gun is available in an optic config too.
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Old 10-09-2019, 03:55 PM   #5
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The target groups sure are different
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The patterns are very similar other than the HC is more left. Could that have been a difference in the grips or those HC sights?
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Honestly guys, the guns shoot about the same. My first few rounds with the HC were way worse. But to be fair, I needed to get comfy with the gun. I am a precision shooter so I look at the small things. But ****....it’s a CC gun! And with the HC having better grips and purchase and what I think are better sights, the 365 is really just left with more market experience and a tad bit more accuracy.

Does one round make a difference? No! Only on paper. Who cares? It’s just bragging rights. As if one gun were 1 ounce lighter. Not a deal breaker.

If I were to pick ONE of these, it would be neither. It would be the 365 SAS. But I’ll wait until I shoot that one.
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So, youíve got the SAS on order. Let me aske you what you think of the ports and vent holes in the slide? (And, then Iíll ask you again later after youíve shot it... )
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So, you’ve got the SAS on order. Let me aske you what you think of the ports and vent holes in the slide? (And, then I’ll ask you again later after you’ve shot it... <img src="https://www.waltherforums.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" /> )
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I suspect I will love them. Can’t wait. But I’ll let you know.
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I think Springfield gets their stuff sorted out pretty well before they release it to the masses, unlike others.

That said, I had an early 365 and experienced the peening on the barrel...but the pistol as a whole never malfunctioned. I'm really curious to try an XL, but the 365 and the X-Ray sights are all I need.
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