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DeutschlandUberAlles 02-22-2019 08:02 AM

One and Done AR Thoughts
 
Well, the time has come for my first AR purchase.

Looking for a lightweight, TOP quality unit, in a "do it all well" caliber.

As is well known here, I don't mind paying the premium for quality.

This is my choice at the moment, 308 w/mid-length 16.5 barrel.......

https://pof-usa.com/firearms/revolution/

DeutschlandUberAlles 02-22-2019 10:30 AM

More info......




Tried to get thru NutNFancy's review, UNWATCHABLE! This tactitool rambles on about his watch, the strap on the watch...............WTF!!! Shoot me in the HEAD, please!

lifesizepotato 02-22-2019 12:11 PM

I'm not really a rifle guy so I did an MR556A1 and MR762A1 as my one-and-done AR-platforms. I have a few other generic ARs and lowers just in case something gets banned and I get a black rifle itch down the line, but the HKs are the only ones I really use.

If you can get past the weight (are you really going to be running around with a 7.62 AR?), either one is worth consideration IMO.

surrealone 02-22-2019 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DeutschlandUberAlles (Post 1182264)
Tried to get thru NutNFancy's review, UNWATCHABLE! This tactitool rambles on about his watch, the strap on the watch...............WTF!!!

Product placement...


Some thoughts for you when making your selection:
  1. Piston-driven guns run MUCH cleaner, but their gas blocks and pistons tend to be proprietary -- something important if one of the things you expect from the gun is SHTF prep/use. Key to this is that direct impingement guns, while they run dirtier, are everywhere meaning there's lots of parts (I'm thinking gas blocks and gas tubes, possibly cannibalized from scavenged rifles, here) during potential SHTF scenarios where parts may not be available from the manufacturer, a reseller, or a distributor. Plus, you can readily fashion a serviceable gas tube out of an appropriately-sized piece of pipe with something as simple as a pipe cutter or hacksaw if you absolutely have to do something make-shift -- whereas fashioning an equally serviceable piston for a piston gun would be more difficult (sure, you could use a piece of rod and cut it with a hacksaw, but getting the correct hardness/strength rod would be the challenge).
  2. Piston-driven guns run cooler during extended firing sessions.
  3. Direct impingement guns are generally more suppressor friendly.
  4. AR-patterned .308 caliber guns also tend to have proprietary parts, so if parts interchangeability matters to you, you probably want to stick to 5.56 NATO.

What I'm kind of driving at is that the guns that do certain things well (like run cleanly and cool-ly) don't tend to do SHTF well. One gas block crack or piston rod failure and the gun's done probably with no way to easily fix it. By comparison, direct impingement gas blocks and gas tubes are all over the place and the latter is easily made. Thus, if your 'do it all well' scenario includes SHTF, you have an impossible task ahead of you or you must make some hard choices (tradeoffs --- or you buy spare parts to account for potential failures in the proprietary parts in the gun). If, however, your 'do it all well' scenario does NOT include SHTF, then I think a piston-gun is the route clearly ahead of you since their higher cost isn't an obstacle for you.

DeutschlandUberAlles 02-22-2019 01:02 PM

Thanks Surrealone, a ton of useful info to chew on.


Looks like my thinking just became "two and done" AR platforms.

lifesizepotato 02-22-2019 01:31 PM

I'd also say that in my experience there are few internet rabbit holes deeper than "which AR?" debates. You can spend weeks and months reading every single post about why A is the best do-it-all AR and B is trash, but also why B is the only AR for real operators and only mall ninjas use A. You just spin in circles without end.

At some point you just have to pick a quality brand that speaks to you and go with it.

GeoNole94 02-22-2019 01:51 PM

Although .308 is not a “traditional” AR caliber, it is certainly more potent than 5.56. A friend has one in 300 Blackout, which is pretty cool but pricey to shoot. I own two SIG “black rifles”, which is heretical among Colt AR purists right out of the gate. One is a conventional DGI M400 AR in 5.56 and the other is the gas-piston AR-AK hybrid 556xi “Russian” in 7.62x39. Ammo cost and availability were a consideration for both, and both have been utterly reliable. I have red-dot sights on both (SIG and Eotech). My $0.02

surrealone 02-22-2019 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GeoNole94 (Post 1182314)
Although .308 is not a “traditional” AR caliber, it is certainly more potent than 5.56. A friend has one in 300 Blackout, which is pretty cool but pricey to shoot. I own two SIG “black rifles”, which is heretical among Colt AR purists right out of the gate. One is a conventional DGI M400 AR in 5.56 and the other is the gas-piston AR-AK hybrid 556xi “Russian” in 7.62x39. Ammo cost and availability were a consideration for both, and both have been utterly reliable. I have red-dot sights on both (SIG and Eotech). My $0.02

I have an AR pistol with stabiling brace chambered in .300 ACC. It's my most expensive AR to shoot, but it's also the quietest to shoot when running suppressed. Frankly, I see no sense in a 300 blackout build unless you plan to run it suppressed...

I have owned an AR chambered in .308. I shot it so little that I traded it for a bullpup .308 I thought I'd like more, but it's seen little action, as well. Key to this is: when I want the punch and range of a .308, I find I also want the accuracy associated with it on a traditional bolt-gun platform. For that, my Remington SPS Tactical bolt gun (running suppressed on a Magpul Hunter700 stock) has been king. It's my go-to .308 rifle, and I like it better than my Ruger Precision Rifle (also chambered in .308), as I've found the Ruger's POI tends to walk all over the place when suppressed (but it was sub-moa out of the box, unsuppressed). I suspect it to be a barrel harmonics issue, by the way.

I'll probably be selling three of my four rifles chambered in .308 (once the market comes back) … specifically because I find myself always reaching for my tweaked SPS Tactical when I want to shoot .308. It felt worth describing/mentioning here in case it saves someone else the monetary pain I went through to learn this about myself. :)

GeoNole94 02-22-2019 05:51 PM

Hey Frank, your point about the 300 Blackout matches my buddy’s reason for that choice, he runs it suppressed. He also has an AR chambered for 9mm that he usually shoots suppressed. I have shot both, and they are fun and quiet, but I am too cheap to buy a suppressor under the current rules ;)

kendeepdiver 02-22-2019 09:47 PM

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