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Old 02-26-2019, 09:07 AM   #31
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My only gripe with ARs is a lack of good things to shoot at; punching paper really isn't all that entertaining, and plates at realistic distances will be cratered.
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Well, yes and no. If you have a place to do it (I have my own ranges), punching paper CAN be entertaining if you set up 5 or 6 cardboard silhouettes at 25 yards and shoot offhand against the clock to put 2 holes in the vital zones of each one in a total of 6-10 seconds. With a timer on your belt you can run this drill by yourself.

As for shooting plates, cratering has a lot to do with how they're mounted. I hang them from coat hanger wire so they are free to swing and absorb the bullet's impact. This also deflects the ricochet downward. I'm not sure what you regard as a "reasonable distance" but at 175 yards, as long as I'm using ordinary FMJ (no green tip penetrators) 3/8" plates hold up pretty well, and you'll know when you hit them. For me at least, trying to get repeated hits on a 10" plate firing offhand at that distance is a challenge, and a lot of fun.

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Old 02-26-2019, 09:29 AM   #32
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I met up with Old Fart at Shoot Point Blank, NRH on Saturday (let him fondle the P5 Lang). We talked for a while about this AR topic. I've reached the conclusion it won't be "one and done". I'll do a 16" to 20" barrel POF or Daniel Defense in 308 (with a nice scope), and something along this line (with RDS or laser)...... https://www.gunbroker.com/item/798205766
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Which reminds me; when spring is on the meadow, got to get out and ring some steel with the PCC. Moon
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Old 02-26-2019, 11:39 AM   #34
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Personally I just don't understand why you all need these weapons
But having a few of my own ( Colt, Bushmaster, Daniel Defense, HK, POF Styre Aug )
When it cums to barrel length, (my girlfriend says 7.5" is perfect)
As long as bullets go forward I'm very happy.
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Old 02-26-2019, 11:57 AM   #35
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Mike, concur entirely; we have a private range at camp, with dingers hung with chains for exactly the reasons you mention. I've one 6" hardened plate at 35 yds that is a fun offhand, and has thus far survived even green tips. The other clangers are (ahem) liberated tie plates, which are great with handguns or PCCs, but crater with ARs. Then we have some dangling bowling pins too. But a local range has provision for paper targets at realistic engagement distances, and that's on my to-do list.
BTW, if anyone is wondering, the issue with cratering is potential splash back when hit with handgun ammo.



Jimbo, I've a registered 10.5 Colt 9mm, and its a favorite.


Deutsch', while I'd still like to see you with a 5.56, those sound like great choices...the 'brace' on the MPX saves the paperwork. I had one; it was nicely made, but wouldn't run 100% even after a trip to NH. Their attitude on magazines aggravated me as well ($60!!!!), and in this day and age, you need extras. Other folks seem to like them; personally, the CZ Scorpion is a better bargain.
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Yeah, HMC is spot on - everybody needs at least one AR in 5.56, and the CZ is a lot of fun for a 9mm plinkster (shot one at the range last year). My Marlin Camp 9 fills the bill for a 9mm carbine, but I could see getting a Scorpion.
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Deutsch', going to be a pain in the keester, but I'd still like to know why you went with the .308?
Geo', I had a previous thread about PCCs; never had the Marlin, but did have the Ruger iteration. PCCs have a lot to recommend them, and the current 'brace' lets them have a short, handy barrel as well as a means of being steadied.
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Why .308?


Having been at my friends shooting property and hearing how each rings steel @ 500 yds, my decision was clear.


The energy figures backed up my "ears", the drops made it a no brainer.


Mid-weight projectiles, zero @ 200yds......


.223, 62gr; drop @ 500yds, 50.5", energy on target, 346 ft/lbs


.308, 168gr; drop @ 500yds, 49.1", energy on target, 1,251 ft/lbs


.308 has similar drop, and over 3 times the energy.
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Deutsch', your money and your call.
Personally, lighter/cheaper ammo and lesser recoil, same reasoning that the military used.
Enjoy the big banger.
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Yah I find that 308 in my 10.5"HK51 ( girlfriend says too long) Personally I don't think 10.5" is too long for her I think it's just too heavy. Deffently has stopping power.
If I don't hit them I'll blind them and if there next to me the concussion gets them every time with the brake I have on there. Haha Ha
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