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Old 02-24-2019, 10:49 AM   #21
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99% of the time I agree 100% with Mike but you seem to be a different kind 1st timer. Having shot Ken's and selling them in the shop I can vouch for POF's quality. Take a look at Daniels Defense too.
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Old 02-24-2019, 10:58 AM   #22
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Old 02-24-2019, 01:35 PM   #23
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I agree with Mike; 5 gallons of speculation isn't as useful as a pint of experience. I would get a known, good brand...the devil is in the details with ARs. They all look pretty much alike, but whether it is something invisible (like MPI testing of the bolt), or more obvious, like a chrome bore or correctly staked screws on the carrier key, there are differences.
Most will only matter at a high round count, but think about it for 'one and done'.
Rifling twist is another can of worms; the Colt will likely be the current mil-standard 1:7, which will stabilize even the heaviest bullets. 1:9 is reputed to be a good compromise; the original M16s were 1:12, and designed to (barely) stabilize the 55 grainers. It's possible to shoot the lighter bullets in the faster twist, but the inverse isn't true.
A good deal of the 55 grain stuff is still out there at reasonable prices, and the heavier bullets are also to be had pretty cheaply right now. $0.40 @ used to be considered a deal, but cheaper is possible now. As we edge up to 2020, things will start getting goofy; now it the time to shop for guns and boolits.
It's not a hard round to reload, but good factory fodder is money in the bank.
A replacement trigger is well worth it; a Geissele SSA is a wonderful choice.
Happy shopping.
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Old 02-25-2019, 08:25 AM   #24
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Were the M16s 1:14 and then went to 1:12?

1:12 ran 55s in our old Steyr SL in one ragged hole at 100yds.
The 2003 No.1V with 1:12 is being tested with 40,45,50,55 and since our current Colt is 1:7 I might get some heavier bullets..... still have some 70 Sierras from years ago.
The No.1V seemed to favor the 55s over the 45 and 50s
but I just wanted to get the No.1V/T36 on center at 25yds then out to 100 this week and 300yds ASAP.

A 308 AR would be great as well...... but for 500 yard shots at food etc etc a
338 Lapua AR might be in our future.
For ......Avalanche control .... might fly with the Ladies in the Clan.

We load so we don’t burn up our barrels but quality and longevity are always a consideration.
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If by “food” you mean a deer, the 338 Lapua would make a mess of things
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If by “food” you mean a deer, the 338 Lapua would make a mess of things

On the plus side, no need to track it.


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Old 02-25-2019, 08:15 PM   #28
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From my personal experience, ARs are like Pringles; "Bet you can't have just one!" I moved from pistols to ARs because of the potential bans and the last election. I thought I should get just one so that I can have it in case of another ban. But due to the shortages at the time, I didn't have the selection like we do now.

I ended up with a 16" barrel 5.56 upper receiver from a small, but reputable, manufacturer called Centurion Arms. The only lower receiver I could get was from Stag Arms. While my first AR is still my do-everything rifle that I've taken some classes with, I've since added about six more ARs with different configurations and have also started getting into 308/7.62/6.5 large frame ARs.

If I were forced to think of a "one and done" of ARs, it'd be a Knights Armament .308 SR-25 E2 CC with a Nightforce ATACR 1-8. It won't be as light as the 223/5.56 ARs but it'll do everything from 0-800 yards and you could even get a matching SR-15.

Chris Bartocci has a great Youtube channel and points out a lot of the proprietary features of the POF. If you're familiar with the 308 AR platform and the typical failure points, there are some features on the POF that are design compromises to fit everything in a small frame receiver:

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I have an Aero Atlas S-one upper on an Aero lower. My local smith built it for me, was cheaper than a lot of other options for a D.I. free float system. It is my favorite rifle, though I rarely shoot it. I'm not into rifles much.
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Sarge, way back in the dim mists of Stoner, there was a 1:14, but it's not apt to be encountered now. IIRC, it was an issue in arctic conditions. I can look it up in The Black Rifle if anyone needs specifics.
That barely stabilized 55 grainer had a fearsome rep for wounding; the current, heavier boolits were developed to defeat body armor/helmets.
My only gripe with ARs is a lack of good things to shoot at; punching paper really isn't all that entertaining, and plates at realistic distances will be cratered.
Which reminds me; when spring is on the meadow, got to get out and ring some steel with the PCC.
Deutsch, we're wandering. Have you made any progress in your search?

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