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TANFOGLIO 07-20-2013 07:20 AM

PPK-S 1983 VS PPK-S 2013
 
WALTHER PPK-S .22 1983 vs UMAREX PPK-S 2013

first - the parts of the weapons are not compatible

http://www.tanfo.de/0_WA/PPKS_VS_PPKS_0001.jpg

http://www.tanfo.de/0_WA/PPKS_VS_PPKS_0002.jpghttp://www.tanfo.de/0_WA/PPKS_VS_PPKS_0003.jpg

http://www.tanfo.de/0_WA/PPKS_VS_PPKS_0004.jpghttp://www.tanfo.de/0_WA/PPKS_VS_PPKS_0005.jpg

http://www.tanfo.de/0_WA/PPKS_VS_PPKS_0006.jpghttp://www.tanfo.de/0_WA/PPKS_VS_PPKS_0007.jpg

http://www.tanfo.de/0_WA/PPKS_VS_PPKS_0008.jpg

http://www.tanfo.de/0_WA/PPKS_VS_PPKS_0009.jpg

http://www.tanfo.de/0_WA/PPKS_VS_PPKS_0010.jpg

http://www.tanfo.de/0_WA/PPKS_VS_PPKS_0011.jpg

http://www.tanfo.de/0_WA/PPKS_VS_PPKS_0012.jpg

http://www.tanfo.de/0_WA/PPKS_VS_PPKS_0013.jpg

http://www.tanfo.de/0_WA/PPKS_VS_PPKS_0014.jpg

http://www.tanfo.de/0_WA/PPKS_VS_PPKS_0015.jpg

http://www.tanfo.de/0_WA/PPKS_VS_PPKS_0016.jpghttp://www.tanfo.de/0_WA/PPKS_VS_PPKS_0017.jpg

http://www.tanfo.de/0_WA/PPKS_VS_PPKS_0018.jpghttp://www.tanfo.de/0_WA/PPKS_VS_PPKS_0019.jpg

http://www.tanfo.de/0_WA/PPKS_VS_PPKS_0020.jpg

http://www.tanfo.de/0_WA/PPKS_VS_PPKS_0021.jpg

SARGE7402 07-20-2013 10:55 AM

Thanks for the comparison. I've got an old PP with a hole in the slide - don't ask - and was hoping that one of the new PPK/s slides would fit. Guess not.

UniversalExports 07-20-2013 11:39 AM

Excellent. I was over at another forum trying to correct some misconceptions over at the Walther PP Facebook page about the Umarex-made PPK/S and I got slammed by Yamil R. Sued who had absolutely no idea what he was talking about on these things (because he's an "Expert" with over twenty years in the gun industry and a book author, and I'm a know-nothing — as are all of you here on this forum, according to him).

I decided to exit that unmoderated Facebook page because, sure enough, "unmoderated" really means "welcome all trolls," and that kind of rudeness I just don't need when I'm trying to help somebody (besides, this is the best moderated forum on the entire web, as far as I can tell).

Anyway, I'm going to definitely remember this thread, Tanfoglio, and link to it the next time I run into a gun-industry "expert" who says these things are made by Walther, and that Umarex isn't even in the manufacturing business.

MGMike 07-20-2013 01:13 PM

Tanfo:

Your judgment is requested. What material is used in:

1) The slide (not the insert block)?

2) The insert block?

3) The frame?

4) The trigger guard?

M

ErichS 07-20-2013 01:46 PM

Wow, quality vs junk IMO. Thanks for posting the differences Tanfoglio.

TANFOGLIO 07-20-2013 01:51 PM

Mike i think it is all aluminum alloy
the Frame is full alloy in order to achieve the weight from a real WALTHER
as I have taken them for the first time in hand I thought it was a metal soft-air

SARGE7402 07-20-2013 02:13 PM

The note I got back from Walther USA's marketing folks said that the frame and slide were a zinc aluminum alloy similar to Zemak from the 50's and 60's but stronger.

KsThumper 07-20-2013 02:58 PM

Remarkable !

About the only thing is the external appearance.

Why redesign the innards ?

If countries from the Balkans to China could duplicate a PP series pistol 60+ years ago, ...

... why can't Umarex ?

153 07-20-2013 03:36 PM

I wish I still had my old PEZ dispenser PPK, I think it compared favorably to the new Umarex version.

The PEZ shooter wasn't very accurate, but tasty.

I'm sorry Tanfoglio you had to buy a Umarex to make the comparison, many thanks though!

AoxoMoxoA 07-20-2013 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 153 (Post 282156)
I'm sorry Tanfoglio you had to buy a Umarex to make the comparison, many thanks though!

Tanfoglio is a collector of Walther guns, good or bad. This is likely just another to add to his collection. The sad thing is that it is probable that he paid a substantially higher premium for this weapon than he did for some of his pre-war beauties...


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