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Old 07-20-2013, 05:39 PM   #11
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Mike i think it is all aluminum alloy
the Frame is full alloy in order to achieve the weight from a real WALTHER
as I have taken them for the first time in hand I thought it was a metal soft-air
Tanfo, it takes three times the volume of aluminum to equal the weight of steel. Your new gun is slightly heavier than the old one. Where is the weight coming from?

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Tanfo, it takes three times the volume of aluminum to equal the weight of steel. Your new gun is slightly heavier than the old one. Where is the weight coming from?

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it is not a pure Aluminium Mike
it is a mix / alloy zinc-aluminum-copper

the "new Gun" is bigger and the Frame is full material
and the material thickness is another

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Old 07-21-2013, 08:47 AM   #13
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Tanfo: I believe that you are describing one of the alloys of Zamak, which is almost completely --96%-- zinc, which allows parts to be precisely molded at low temperature by die casting and requires practically no additional machining. Zamak has only about 4% aluminum, with small amounts of copper and magnesium.

It is almost as heavy as steel, about 90%. If the alloy were primarily aluminum, the gun would have to be MUCH bigger.

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Just appearance alone turns me off. I like the shorter "beavertail", but you just can't beat that beautiful finish on the earlier weapon. If it looks good outside, there's a decent chance they took the time to finish her right inside.
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Old 07-21-2013, 09:43 PM   #15
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I began collecting Walther PPK .22 lr pistols back in the 1970's. I still have
most of them, and looking at the new PPK/S .22 pistol I am glad I did.

My first PPK .22 pistol I purchased which was made in 1967 and was my first real pistol. I shot
well over 50,000 rounds through it and I still have it today. Nothing has ever broke, and the barrel shows no
wear. I think it is even more accurate now than when I first bought it....

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I would not even buy an airgun with the looks of that Umarex. It's like night and day!
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first - the parts of the weapons are not compatible
What about the magazines? I'm asking because I'm searching for a magazine
for a friend of mine, for his .22lr PP, made in the -70's in the former West
Germany, Ulm. I wanted to order one from Walther Germany, but it seems
that the the magazines are not compatible and I want to make sure.
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From everything Ulm are saying, the magazines are not compatible.
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Ausgezeichneten arbeit mein König! Danke für die wunderbare fotografie und vergleich. Jetzt sehen wir, dass welche neu ist, ist nicht immer am besten.

Excellent work my King! Thank you for the nice photos and comparison; now we can all see that which is new is not always the best.

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It is almost as heavy as steel, about 90%. If the alloy were primarily aluminum, the gun would have to be MUCH bigger.
Mike is correct, and I can see where the weight comes from. Observe the thickness of the walls of the slide from King Tanfoglio's photograph:



We can see a clear difference between the thickness of the real PPK on the left and the potmetal one to the right. The steel is much thinner while the new zinc version must be made more robust due to the brittle nature of the Inject-A-Metal they used to manufacture it. I'm not necessarily beating up on potmetal here, rather I'm just stating that it needs to be made much thicker to last for a reasonable amount of time in this application. Zamak has been to the moon and back in the Apollo missions so it can't be all that bad.

Still, it has no place in any PPK I'll be carrying in my waistband or be keeping in my desk drawer. Umarex, are you listening?

I didn't think so.

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What about the magazines? ...I wanted to order one from Walther Germany, but it seems that the the magazines are not compatible and I want to make sure.
No sir. Not even close. The new magazines are more akin to the P22 than anything that goes with a PPK/S.

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