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Old 10-19-2011, 07:38 AM   #11
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halfmoon...I will admit right-up-front that I am no "production-run" re-loader. Meaning that I only load for a couple of calibers for my and a few friends use. Usually 200-300 at a time every now and then and all these have been the straight-wall stuff...38-special, 357 MAG and the 32-long, H&R, FED MAG. I have never loaded any rimless ammo, so this will be a first for me. We cast our own wheel-weight slugs and a couple of the guys load 9MM with these slugs tossed from a Lee mold without issue.

I do have a .311 Lee bullet sizer which throws something closer to a .310 on my caliper. I also realize the 32 brass is awful thin and may not take-to, or even be worth reloading. Maybe I should stick to the .380 for reloading.

I have a Lee hand-press and also a Lee single-stage table-mounted press.

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Old 10-19-2011, 01:03 PM   #12
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moss', where are you getting your Rainer projectiles, what diameter are they, and how hard are they beating you as regards price? Our range officer casts bullets for most of us, but always looking for a good alternative.
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The size is .354
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Old 10-19-2011, 08:08 PM   #13
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I do have a .311 Lee bullet sizer which throws something closer to a .310 on my caliper. I also realize the 32 brass is awful thin and may not take-to, or even be worth reloading. Maybe I should stick to the .380 for reloading.

I have a Lee hand-press and also a Lee single-stage table-mounted press.
The .32 is not hard to reload, and I only mentioned the case-thickness issue because I ran into the problem a couple months ago and was pretty well stymied until I found the undersize Lee dies. The cases aren't the least hard to work with; the entire issue was resizing them enough so that they tightly grasp their new bullet.
Have to believe that .32 won't be the only caliber that will experience the thinner case issue; price of copper being what it is, the brass makers will cut a corner when they can.

Moss', appreciate the comeback. Our range officer casts us bullets; 500 @ $30. He reclaims the lead from the watertank backstop and recasts it. For the price difference, I'll keep shooting his lead loads.
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Old 10-22-2011, 02:17 AM   #14
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We took the PPK/S and the P230 to the range last evening and shot about 50 rounds apiece of the load mentioned in the first post. (100 gr, 2.8 gr Bullseye) and they were a little snappier than I had hoped for. The Walther with its new and proper ejector functioned flawlessly. I think I'll get the micro-disk for my loading machine, and drop the charge to about 2.5 and give that a try. I may also look for some 95 gr bullets as well.

Thanks to all for all the help!

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Old 10-23-2011, 10:00 AM   #15
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Moss', did you notice any significant difference between the Walther and the Sig? While I've never shot them back to back, it's my impression that the larger size and heavier slide of the P230 tends to calm it down a little. Other posters here have claimed that the PP in .380 is more pleasant to shoot as well.
Passed up a couple .380 Walthers at the Monroeville gunshow; a cashflow issue, but I'd like to try another .380 sometime.
Let us know how the lighter load runs in your Walther; it works fine in a Sig.
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Old 10-23-2011, 09:14 PM   #16
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Subscribed. I used to reload many moons ago, still have some .44 magnum reloads from 1987. Would love to get back into it for the PPK & my S&W 4006.
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Old 10-31-2011, 08:46 AM   #17
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New Load: Yesterday I tested my newest .380 load:

2.3-2.5 gr Bullseye
Federal Primers
100 gr Rainier Plated Round Nose Bullet
Assorted used brass casses and New Doouble-Tap Nickel plated Cases


I alternated shooting them through a S&W PPK/S and a Colt Mustang Plus II,
and loaded randomly one factory Blazer Cartridge in each magazine. So, as far as I can tell, each pistol got to shoot all combinations.

The new load felt less snappy than my previous load (see Post #1). The Colt had the least perceived recoil, and the PPK is becoming more acceptable (to me). It was very obvious when the factory load was fired!

There was no difference between the old brass and new nickel cases, as I had expected. I use nickel cases often, because I like the way they look.

There were only two Fail-to-Feeds with the PPK/S with two loads @ 2.5 gr. I don't think the load had anything to do with it.

This week I am going to load another 50 rounds with 0.2 gr less (2.1 gr.) and see how it goes. I'm looking for a soft target load that will be easy on my hand, and perhaps my wife will join me in shooting the PPK. Now she prefers her Ruger Single Six in .22lr or her Smith M66-2 in .38 sp.

I will use a very large target for testing, so I can be sure that the bullet actually left the barrel and pierced the paper.
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Old 10-31-2011, 08:48 AM   #18
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Moss', did you notice any significant difference between the Walther and the Sig? While I've never shot them back to back, it's my impression that the larger size and heavier slide of the P230 tends to calm it down a little.
I did not notice that the P230 was any less snappy than the PPK/S.
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Old 10-31-2011, 10:03 AM   #19
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moss', be interested in seeing how light a load will reliably function your PPK. As has been discussed here at some length, the recoil thing with the PP series in .380 seems to be more a matter of the slide coming to an abrupt stop when it strikes the frame, rather than the overwhelming power of the .380 cartridge. You may be able to strike a balance that will function but allow the slide to just give the frame a love tap.

Or you could find a .32...

Without a doubt, locked breech guns are milder kickers. I'd rather fire 100 rounds thru' an LCP than a PPK (trigger pull is worse than the recoil), and the little Colt/Sig miniature 1911 is just a *****cat in .380.

Real heresy here, but it always seemed that a Colt/Browning lockup could be grafted onto the PP series, retaining the outward appearance and great ergonomics.
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Old 10-31-2011, 01:54 PM   #20
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Moon,
From the recipes in the load manual, it looks like i can go down a few more tenths and still be within the recommended range. I don't mind getting a slug stuck in the barrel as long as it is not followed immediately by another. I'm guessing that I will have a favorite load for the PPK and a different favorite load for the Mustang. At this point I prefer shooting the Colt and am hoping that my reloading efforts will result in the same feel with the PPK.

I am looking for a .32, but the ones that I see on Gunbroker are in the $1500 to $2000 range, which is out of my range.

I had an LCP and had to wear a padded glove to shoot it. That and the trigger pull that you could time with a calendar, made it a non-contender for a spot in my "collection". I traded it in as a partial payment for the PPK/S.

I enjoy the challenge of load development, so I am sure that I will come up with something that I like.

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