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searcher451 04-20-2009 12:21 PM

Some websites to help PP/PPK owners ID their guns
 
You might want to check out this site to help with the proof marks and such on your PP and PPKs, for identification purposes:

http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com...Proofmarks.pdf

Also of note is the Walther method for marking the date of pistols with two letters. Here are the corresponding numbers:

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
A B C D E F G H I K

or ...

A = 0
B = 1
C = 2
D = 3
E = 4
F = 5
G = 6
H = 7
I = 8
K = 9

A gun marked AE, for example, would have a born-on date of 2004; a gun with a GF stamp would have been made in 1965. (Note that the J is not used.)

(A note of caution: We've had a lot of discussion on the forum of late regarding the date code chart and whether the Germans actually eliminated the I or the J, as identified in the chart above. Because both letters are written virtually the same in German, with the J being slightly taller, confusion has set in and expert sources are not always in agreement. We have photos indicating that the I appears to be used, but is it really an I and not a J in the German sense? If you want to follow some of the back-and-forth on this subject, visit this thread:

https://www.waltherforums.com/showthr...t=10898&page=2

It's interesting, to say the least.)

This next link has been posted before and is available on other parts of the forum, but it's a good addition here as well and a good spot to visit for folks who are interested in identifying the various proof marks they might run into, especially on some of the vintage firearms that are on the market these days:

https://store.bluebookinc.com/Info/P...Proofmarks.pdf

And a couple more:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/58610387/Proof-Marks

http://www.mdwguns.com/CIP.html

All right, and one more tip:

http://www.tague.at/pistolen/en_index.htm

It's a German site. Click on the Walther link on the main page and it will take you to a production chart for PP and PPK guns that were made from the start of the line through the end of WWII. It's good stuff and will answer a great many questions.

And one more, compliments of Uncut. It's a site that will help you identify property marks on your pistol, if you've acquired one that was previously owned by a German police force:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_d...in_Deutschland

It's in German, but the property marks need no translation.

And a couple more more for good measure:

http://www.shotguns.se/html/germany.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/58610387/Proof-Marks

For a little walking tour history of Walther pistols:

http://www.cruffler.com/historic-march00.html

Enjoy.

photohause 04-24-2009 02:37 PM

Good post - thanks~!

sidewinder 04-27-2009 04:08 AM

Hey awsome post!!!
Im assuming then that we are using the last two "letters" in our serials?? Because if its the first two mine was made in 1925.. haha But the last two means it was made in 2000..Which would mean my gun finally has a birthday!!

blkout50 05-10-2009 01:24 AM

Thanks, Great Info!

I recently inherited, my dads ppk/s. The Proof marks on this ppk/s are (the new eagle over the letter N, followed by the letters HI, followed by the Antler Proof mark.) I tried to take some pics to post, but the pics were too blurry.

searcher451 says that the Letter "I" is not used, so I'm a little confused, am I looking a the marks correctly?

Thanks in advance.

.

KsThumper 05-10-2009 11:27 AM

At a recent show here I saw a 1st gen P99 marked KI - antler.

searcher451 05-10-2009 11:33 AM

And Searcher just fixed the date code, which inadvertently eliminated the I instead of the J. The chart is now corrected ... and correct again.

By the way, welcome to the forum, blkout50.

(As you can see from this post, the I/J riddle was already at play, although we didn't recognize it at the time as a problem brought about by conflicting German sources.)

blkout50 05-10-2009 02:22 PM

Searcher, Thanks for the welcome and clarifying the date codes for me.

,

searcher451 05-10-2009 07:14 PM

Absolutely. Sorry for the initial confusion. I must have been in a Glock mode on a Walther Forum -- not a good combination. :)

denfoote 05-26-2009 04:02 AM

Now did Smith continue the Walther system??

My PPK/S has XXXXAAA.
Does this mean it was made in 2000???

ViperR 05-26-2009 07:39 AM

I'm trying to find out about my British proofed (eagle over 129) .22 PP. Can't find info anywhere.:(
Vipe
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Edit (Milspec): It's a British L66A1 purchased from Germany and inspected by the German Federal Defense Ministry. The Eagle 129 stamps are combination proof and inspection stamps.


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