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1917-1911M 02-15-2015 10:44 AM

CCP Internal Components Function, Lubrication, etc.
 
I though perhaps we needed another thread where discussion of lubrication, function of internal components, pictures, "how to", etc. could be discussed without being in the running problems thread.

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In the rear frame component parts #7, 11, 12, 16, 19 and 20 don't move.

#9 and #8 are the block and spring that press up on the bottom of the cylinder.

Parts # 13 and 33 are springs that press upward on the rear of the sear and connector respectively. Parts #17 and 18 engage the manual safety as far as I can tell.

So, regarding a smooth trigger pull the trigger bar drags across the plunger, rotates the cylinder which pivots the fronts of the connector and sear up which moves the rear down. As long as all of these parts don't have any rough edges and move freely that would seem to be all that is required....that and a little Hoppes.

Lubrication and cleaning. Let's face it. This pistol is going to get dirty when firing...heck, most firearms do but the gas chamber will add to this. So, learn to break the pistol down and clean it. I don't see anything tricky about cleaning and I expect field stripping, spraying with Gun-scrubber or similar, taking a tooth brush to the parts. Then spray again, blow dry, spray with Remington Remoil, spry again, then apply a light coat of oil, like Hoppes, to the outside of the barrel/recoil spring, striker channel/spring, center cut that runs down the counter plate, bottom of the breech where it might slide against the lower frame insert, sear and connector top surfaces and pivot points. The Remoil with teflon should provide adequate lubrication to all other small, locations not easily reached. Reassemble, fire, repeat cleaning. I would think that would cover all the lubrication your need. Clean the chamber, barrel and gas cylinder of course. Don't lube the gas chamber.

I've purchased new firearms that were basically dry inside and I've purchased firearms full of white grease. I clean and lube to my preferences and then go shooting. I can't believe this pistol has been out this long now and no one has removed the grips and stripped that puppy. I'd have done that the first hour I owned one. :) M1911

1917-1911M 02-15-2015 10:51 AM

Oh yeah, unless the manual presents points to lubricate I expect this information doesn't exist. M1911

chandler5566 02-15-2015 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1917-1911M (Post 397629)
I can't believe this pistol has been out this long now and no one has removed the grips and stripped that puppy. I'd have done that the first hour I owned one. :) M1911

That's pretty much how I clean and lube. I suspect that like myself most of us are afraid that if we pulled the grips we'd be opening Pandora's Box!:D

1917-1911M 02-15-2015 12:36 PM

If Germans can put it together....I can put it together. I will admit that the firing pin assembly and associated parts in the S&W M&P 22 took a little thought. No special tools....but a little though as to....now prezackly how did they put this together. :) M1911

Oh yeah...stay out of the inside of watches and digital cameras. Just buy a new one.

1917-1911M 02-21-2015 04:12 PM

Trigger not resetting. I've read a couple of on-line reviews (magazine types) and a couple of comments here where the shooter was having a problem with the trigger not resetting. Now what could cause that? Would someone with a CCP pull the slide rearward 1/16", 1/8", 3/16" 1/4" etc to determine when the slide disconnects the trigger bar. Perhaps something as simple as a dirty chamber and the lower poundage recoil spring not being able to fully close the slide....in which case a clean pistol or a tap on the rear of the slide might be a quick solution. as far as I can tell no one has addressed this issue. M1911

chandler5566 02-21-2015 06:02 PM

Approx. 1/4".

1917-1911M 02-21-2015 08:51 PM

That is a large gap so I doubt that is the problem. Some have reported that if they removed and reinstalled the slide then the trigger begins resetting again. So.....??? what might that be about? Made the rounds again today so I could get a look at one of these CCPs....but, still none in town. M1911

chandler5566 02-22-2015 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1917-1911M (Post 398932)
That is a large gap so I doubt that is the problem. Some have reported that if they removed and reinstalled the slide then the trigger begins resetting again. So.....??? what might that be about? Made the rounds again today so I could get a look at one of these CCPs....but, still none in town. M1911

I should have described my procedure to be certain I measured what you intended. The trigger bar is partially visible on the right side because there is a very small gap between the frame and slide....about 1/32nd. I applied rearward pressure to the slide while observing the visible portion of the bar. When the bar lowered as far as it could I assumed that was the point of disconnect. If it disconnects before that the measurement would obviously be less than 1/4".

1917-1911M 02-22-2015 11:52 AM

That is much less. When the slide is retracted the trigger bar is pressed down by the oval cutout on the right side. What I'm wondering is how far rearward does the slide have to move so that the top of the trigger bar is engaged to the point it disconnects from the cylinder. In other words, you can pull the trigger but the rear of the trigger bar does not engage the cylinder. I can only imagine this is the area where the problem is occurring. When owners are reporting the trigger not resetting I'm wondering what is going on. This has been reported several times hear and at various on line reviews. M1911

chandler5566 02-22-2015 12:19 PM

Just disassembled and verified that when the tab on top of the trigger bar drops down to the top of the frame the trigger bar is fully disconnected from the cylinder. If you go back to that video in my post #176 you will see the tab I'm referring to and in that rearward slide movement the tab is down and the bar is fully disconnected.


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