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Old 12-20-2014, 09:50 PM   #1
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CCP Parts diagram link

http://www.carl-walther.de/public/do...79_38_14_c.pdf

Exploded parts diagram.

http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-conten...s/CCP_2014.pdf

CCP Service Manual See page 12 for information on +P and +P+ ammo usage.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...5BD290086F49B3

Walther advertisement showing internal component function. Pay particular attention at 1 min, 1:13 and 1:37 where you will briefly see fire control components moving through paces. You will likely require multiple viewings or stop the video to see what is going on.

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Old 12-20-2014, 09:53 PM   #2
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I'm not sure I've ever seen a pistol put together in this manner. Help me understand this. You have the frame ( barrel and gas chamber with serial number) that drops into the polymer grip and is held in place with two roll pins. Then what would normally be a part of the frame ( I think) is the rear section called the system housing (containing the safety drum and hook) that drops in behind the frame and is held in place with one roll pin. This is certainly different from a one piece steel frame...that is for sure. Are any other pistols manufactured in this manner? M1911

OK, a review of the PPQ diagram shows a similar layout. And a Browning lock thrown in.....separate rear portion of the frame. This is new to me, didn't know pistols were being put together this way these days. What other pistols are manufactured similar to this?

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Old 12-20-2014, 10:11 PM   #3
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It looks like part number 47, the locking hook catch must first be lifted above part number 19, the counter plate before the locking catch part can be shoved forward compressing the mainspring and allowing the slide to be disengaged from the counter plate. So this is a two part process, lift up the locking hook catch so that it clears the top of the counter plate and then the locking catch can be shoved forward until the part clears the front of the counter plate at which point the rear of the slide can be lifted. Pretty simple it seems but you must insure that you disengage the locking hook catch first or you won't be shoving anything in. M1911

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Old 12-20-2014, 10:25 PM   #4
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I was kinda, sorta hoping the serialized part wouldn't be the gas chamber. I was thinking at about 100,000 miles, I mean rounds the cylinder and piston might be worn out and it would be a simple matter of driving out the barrel retaining pin, slipping on a new gas chamber and piston and be back to square one with the nice polygonal barrel. I suppose Walther tests indicate the chamber will last a long time. Perhaps the piston is the weak link and sacrifices itself over the long haul instead of the gas port....the piston should be inexpensive and easy to replace...assuming it wears at all.

I'm a bit surprised at the relief to the gas chamber area as shown on the diagram just rearward of the barrel retaining pin. That is the area where the small hole is drilled that feeds the gas chamber. I would have guessed that would have been a full thickness area. Walther knows far more than I but I will have to see one of these in person one day. Perhaps someone will be brave enough to remove the grip housing and post some good pictures of the guts of the pistol. M1911
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Old 12-20-2014, 10:44 PM   #5
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I don't have a striker fired pistol of any kind and have never taken one apart. How do these things work? I see the striker with a hook on the bottom. I suppose the striker acts as the firing pin and hammer. I see the mainspring right behind the striker and I assume when the slide cycles the striker is pressed rearward and the hook on the bottom of the striker catches in a cocked or partially cocked position against the sear????

So when you pull the trigger the trigger bar moves forward ????? and releases the sear from the striker hook?? Or does the striker have to be moved rearward a bit before being released. This is probably pretty clear to you guys with striker fired pistols but I'm not connecting the dots. M1911
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Old 12-21-2014, 02:00 AM   #6
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@1917-1911 The serialized part should still be the frame in the US. I believe some European countries require it on both. I have a frankenglock right now where the official s/n is the frame/lower receiver. The upper is new/refurbished and has a mismatched s/n. However, for FFL record-keeping purposes, it is the lower s/n they use.
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Old 12-22-2014, 09:46 PM   #7
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OK, I've got most of the gist of it. The trigger moves the trigger bar forward. With the safety set to fire the rear of the trigger bar engages the right side of the cylinder pretty much PP style. As the cylinder is rotated by the pull of the trigger bar the front of the cylinder presses the front of the sear upward which rotates the rear downward until it breaks from the hook under the striker. Looks like all of this could be made mirror smooth should the trigger not feel just right. M1911
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Old 12-22-2014, 10:19 PM   #8
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yea .... so ..... and the actual point is???? Like it makes any difference at all
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Old 12-23-2014, 10:48 AM   #9
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You might be right maccountry. I have enjoyed helping members with their firearm issues for the past ten years and the first thing you need to know in order to help is how the firearm functions in detail. Take the takedown tool for the CCP. Apparently neither Brett's video or the manual explains the process very clearly. I know the video kinda shows Brett using the tool but no details are presented on exactly the technique. And, apparently, just shoving the tool against the rear of the pistol does not work and soon damages the point on the end.

When and if I purchase one of these I guarantee you there will be a thread with some good close up photos, arrows pointing to this or that. All the details you will need to clearly understand how to disassemble the pistol. I'm already seeing all the linkage in the fire control components and areas that will likely benefit from some tlc. I've already sent pictures of the chamber filing to Germany to alert them of that and ask what is going on. I expect another step will be needed to be added to the milling of the chamber.

Keep me honest though... and Merry Christmas. M1911
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Old 12-23-2014, 12:03 PM   #10
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The Serial number on the CCP is on the frame and gas block. ATF uses the frame number.
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