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Old 05-07-2017, 01:52 AM   #21
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15K interesting and something I have a hard time believing.
What is it about 15K that you find hard to believe?
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Old 05-07-2017, 10:46 AM   #22
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What is it about 15K that you find hard to believe?
I also find it hard to believe, inasmuch as most shooters I am acquainted with do not keep an accurate log of the number of rounds fired. They are just loosely guessing, and their guesses tend to be rounded up, not down.

Those who are attracted to the Creed or PPX because it is an inexpensive, entry-level pistol are generally not the ones who have a spare $3,000 to spend on ammunition, or competitors who take the discipline seriously.

To fire 15,000 rounds one would have to shoot a box and a half of ammunition every single week from January to December, rain or shine, for four (4) years. Call me a skeptic if you like, but I think the claim is unrealistic.

Finally, I doubt if a Creed would last that long.

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Old 05-07-2017, 11:09 AM   #23
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Finally, I doubt if a Creed would last that long.
Why not? It has a massive slide and is otherwise constructed like every other polymer/steel gun. Where's the weakness?

Would you expect a PPQ to last 15,000 rounds? Why?
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Old 05-07-2017, 05:35 PM   #25
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The three piece barrel is cheaper because a one-piece barrel would require buying 1.3" diameter round bar, then reducing the round part of the barrel to 0.55" diameter. That is a lot of chips on the floor. With the three piece barrel they can buy 0.6" (15 or 16 mm) bar and barely touch the outside to true it up. Then they press it into the MIM part. The barrel takes the pressure, the MIM part must resist shock loads and wear.

You'll never convince MIM haters that it is "good enough", but good enough is what matters. Military weapons and aircraft safety-critical parts transitioned to plastic years ago, in areas where plastic was good enough. Now some parts are being made with MIM and soon parts will be printed. If the strength is good enough for engineers, military purchasing requirements, the FAA and others it will be accepted. Yes, all of those parties will make mistakes. History is littered with mistakes. But the simple fact that a new material is introduced does not equal settling for substandard performance. Time will tell. I have a forged Smith from the 20's that is like new. I have another one that is unreliable. I also have wooden musical instruments that are from the teens or twenties and working well. PPX's are not shedding barrel parts today. If the engineers did their jobs they should last quite a while. I'm not sure if "100 years" is a fair expectation. We have no idea if polymer frames will last 95 years!

I'm very happy the Creed uses the PPX barrel, as it tells me the Walther engineers did not redesign that component when they had a great opportunity. But only they know how many shots they fired in test guns.

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Old 05-07-2017, 06:06 PM   #26
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The three piece barrel is cheaper because a one-piece barrel would require buying 1.3" diameter round bar, then reducing the round part of the barrel to 0.55" diameter. That is a lot of chips on the floor. With the three piece barrel they can buy 0.6" (15 or 16 mm) bar and barely touch the outside to true it up. Then they press it into the MIM part. The barrel takes the pressure, the MIM part must resist shock loads and wear.
I don't see anything that indicates the barrel block is MIM. It sounds like the MIM part is feed ramp.
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Old 05-07-2017, 06:17 PM   #27
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I don't see anything that indicates the barrel block is MIM. It sounds like the MIM part is feed ramp.
My block is at least cast, it has parting lines. It may not be MIM. Either way the three piece design facilitates buying much smaller bar stock for the barrel.

And cast has haters, too.

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Old 05-07-2017, 06:39 PM   #28
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My block is at least cast, it has parting lines. It may not be MIM. Either way the three piece design facilitates buying much smaller bar stock for the barrel.

And cast has haters, too.
Near-net forgings also have parting lines.
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Old 05-07-2017, 07:25 PM   #29
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Near-net forgings also have parting lines.
It sure doesn't look like a forging to me. It looks cast. Or MIM. But I'm not a forensic metal processing specialist! I'm totally open to other opinions.
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It sure doesn't look like a forging to me. It looks cast. Or MIM. But I'm not a forensic metal processing specialist! I'm totally open to other opinions.
It looks enough like a near-net forging to me to suggest the possibility. Essentially, they would machine the hole, upper and lower lugs and leave the rest the way it came out of the die.
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