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Old 04-24-2017, 06:05 PM   #21
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I just bought mine and went to the range and put 150 rounds through it.

I own a CCP and that's what I'm familiar with.

The creed is like trying to shoot with a brick. I have to get used to the trigger.

The CCP is smaller with a lower bore. Also the slide is smaller on the CCP. I wouldn't say the Creed is like shooting a brick, its a full size gun with a very nice trigger. I can also say it is very reliable in its design. I have over 1000 rounds and not one problem. Runs smooth as butter. The trigger will get softer and the slide will get smoother and easier to use. I can rack it with 2 fingers now!
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I myself have not fired a PPQ but I did hold one. The grip feels very much like the PPQ but with out the additional grip size option. The PPQ is a target gun or hunting if you enjoy that. The Creed is more a home defense gun with a similar PPQ trigger and feel. I bought my Creed for 329 and have fired over 1000 rounds with out one issue. It sits on my wall magnet ready for self defense. I take it out and shoot it at the range also and really enjoy it. My trigger is at about 4 lbs now and is great. Would I have bought the PPQ instead if I had the money? Yes, but for what I am using it for it made no sense for me.
Ashton4ever....Walther list the PPQ as well as the CREED as 'Defensive pistols'.....because they are. The CREED is offered at a price point that attracts entry level shooters. The PPQ, has a more refined trigger and goes for and additional $125 to $150.

Again, both pistols can be used for anything your heart desires....from shooting fleas off the neighbors putty tat to concealed carry, to home defense. Personally, I've got PPQ's all over the house, in fact, I'm wearing one right now....a 5 inch.....yes, concealed.

So, buy either one ....and be happy.

Here ya go....a link to Walther 'Defense' pistols http://www.carl-walther.de/cw.php?la...ub=2&subsub=22

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Old 04-25-2017, 11:58 AM   #23
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Ashton4ever....Walther list the PPQ as well as the CREED as 'Defensive pistols'.....because they are. The CREED is offered at a price point that attracts entry level shooters. The PPQ, has a more refined trigger and goes for and additional $125 to $150.

Again, both pistols can be used for anything your heart desires....from shooting fleas off the neighbors putty tat to concealed carry, to home defense. Personally, I've got PPQ's all over the house, in fact, I'm wearing one right now....a 5 inch.....yes, concealed.

So, buy either one ....and be happy.

Here ya go....a link to Walther 'Defense' pistols Carl Walther Sporting Arms - Products - Defense Guns - Pistols
LOL You have a PPQ infestation there my friend! You are correct! Heck you can use a sling shot as a personal defense weapon if you would like!! JK .. No my point on the PPQ is that the trigger is very light. This is the main reason why many police officers wont use it or the department wont flat out allow the use of that particular model. I forgot in which country they don't allow it for their police. I read it somewhere recently. It's too easy to fire by mistake in a tuff situation. To each there own though!
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... the PPQ is that the trigger is very light. This is the main reason why many police officers wont use it or the department wont flat out allow the use of that particular model. I forgot in which country they don't allow it for their police. I read it somewhere recently.
Germany at least. The PPQ is not certified for police use there because of the light trigger.
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I was expecting the PPQ trigger to be very light and to me it is not. I think that is because I've been shooting my P99 and P99c for a couple years. The SA trigger on those guns spoiled me and when I finally added a Q to my collection it does not feel as light. It's somewhere above (heavier) than them but not too heavy (like a DA pull). I compare it to the Three Bears, the Q is somewhere in the middle and just right.

I'm sure I'd like the Creed too since I've had a couple PPXs and still have my forty.
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So, what is light? I think 2 to 2.5 lbs. is pretty light....and love that pull weight. The PPQ is around 4 to 4.5 lbs.....THAT is not light.
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So, what is light? I think 2 to 2.5 lbs. is pretty light....and love that pull weight. The PPQ is around 4 to 4.5 lbs.....THAT is not light.

10 lbs min legal trigger pull in Massachusetts and California. Use that as a high trigger pull base. With that in mind 4 1/2 is considered light and 2 1/2 would be ultra light. I myself would not like anything less then 4 1/2 lbs on a defensive carry. 2 1/2 would be too light. Its really your preference.

Another thought on this is in a defensive situation. I can assure you that if you had to quickly pull and run and gun with any pistol, the last thing on your mind is going to be trigger pull nor will it make a darn bit of difference on whether you hit the target or not. Now when you target practice the light trigger gets you more bulls-eyes in most cases, sure. This is why I consider the PPQ to be more of a target practice gun and not practical for stressful situations since the trigger can be easily pulled.

My Smith and Wesson 9mm Shield went from over 8 lbs stock to 4 1/2 with my added Apex trigger kit. A very big difference that I love, but I have no doubt the pistol would have performed equally in a self defense situation with or with out the kit.
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So, what is light? I think 2 to 2.5 lbs. is pretty light....and love that pull weight. The PPQ is around 4 to 4.5 lbs.....THAT is not light.
I agree. Also the PPQ has fairly significant tactile take up which I like for CCW/SD reasons. I think that at least some might get the impression that the PPQ trigger is lighter than it actually is because of the quality of the trigger pull. On mine there is absolutely no grit or travel once you are at the wall. If one is used to a trigger that has grit and travel the PPQ can be a bit startling.
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So, what is light? I think 2 to 2.5 lbs. is pretty light....and love that pull weight. The PPQ is around 4 to 4.5 lbs.....THAT is not light.

I'd agree.....

I tend to believe that when I hear someone say a gun like the PPQ has too light of a trigger, it's generally more a reflection on their own level of comfort with the PPQ. Trying to put an arbitrary number out there that instantly means a trigger is "right" for defensive carry seems to come off as fairly silly. You could equally argue that with a harder, more challenging trigger people are more apt to allow a poor trigger pull to jerk the gun, causing a miss, and sending a bullet off somewhere it should not be going.

I see very few people suggest that the reality is much closer to "you don't rise to a superhuman level under stress, you generally drop to your level of training." If you practice, and I mean really practice, there isn't an issue at all with an out of the box PPQ, and it's comfortable trigger might mean it's easier to shoot accurately when your mechanics are less than perfect.

I'm not advocating that we need 1lb trigger's, in that case personally I'd be uncomfortable, but a 4.5 lb trigger? Hell, I'd advocate you go shoot the hell out of it, and get used to it.
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Old 04-28-2017, 12:40 AM   #30
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I held the Creed just a few days ago and liked the feel of it. The only complaint that I had was the firing mechanism. I know the Creed was not built for looks but getting a big black flag waving in my peripheral every time I would shoot it seemed a bit odd.
I can definitely get past that though because it was a good gun in every other way. I'll have to pick one up this summer. Currently it is selling for 370 in Indiana
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