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Old 07-23-2018, 05:39 PM   #11
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BTW, if you limp wristing the gun it’s your WRISTS, and not the grip potentially. Also, make sure you are not riding the slide!!!!

A video will Help a bunch!

If you give the gun to an expert shooter and they have the same issues then we are on to something.

Make sure the gun is clean and lubed too.

And IMO it shoot any ammo you feed it. 115, 124, 147....it should cycle.

It shouldn’t be hard to rack at all....that has me suspicious.

My guess is this:

- Limp wristing

- Riding the slide

- dry and no lube

- Bad machining and the slide is rubbing.
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When I rack the slide the first time, in usually returns to the firing position. I think It failed to do so just once in 15 magazine cycles. And I'm not even sure about that.

Also, If I release the slide lock, it has always fully returned. Is that without as well as WITH ammo.....meaning you can insert a loaded mag with he slide locked back, thumb the slide lock, meaning releasing the slide by depressing the slide lock and the slide will zoom forward, striping and loading a round and continue forward into battery, meaning All the way forward?

It operates correctly with and without rounds in the magazine in both of the cases you query. Kinda like the above scenario, you can release the slide, using the slide lock and the slide will spring forward into battery.....with or without ammo? Hmmmm, that's odd.

The problem exists when I actually fire a shot and it recycles the next round in. So, you fire a shot, the slide moves rearward, removing and ejecting the empty brass, then strips the top round from the mag and loads it into the chamber and continues forward and stops about 1/8" from the fully forward position? That could be weak ammo.....but I really think you've got something else going on.

No, it is not a "Tap, then the actions continues on by itself. I have to continue the pressure all the way to the end. And it's not much pressure at all. As I wrote before, I can easily push it with my right thumb (right handed) without moving any other parts of my two handed grip. Its really hard to troubleshoot these kinds of things via long distance.

This gun has the strongest recoil spring of any gun hat I have fired. I find this odd. I sometimes try to pull it back just a short distance to try to get the hammer reset without ejecting the unfired bullet. I can't do it...that is, move it just a half-inch or so. I find this REALLY odd. I have to get a very strong grip and fight it to get it moving. That always results in a full ejection of the round. There's definitely some wrong here. The recoil spring is too strong for a 70 year old with acute R. Arthritis to try to surgically maneuver it.[/quote]

This pistol needs to go back to Walther. Or, if you know a good gunsmith, you might ask him to take a quick look at it....he might be able to diagnose it in a minute or two.

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Old 07-24-2018, 01:03 AM   #13
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1. Try using 124grain 9mm ammo. Forget using any 115 grain ammo, and get some 124grain 9mm ammo to test out. Federal American Eagle would be a good choice. Also, I would try shooting one box of 124grain 9mm +P ammo also. Again, Federal or whatever American brand of ammo you can find in 124grain 9mm +P.


2. As you have already been told, make sure you grip that pistol nice and tight - very solid hold on the gun. This is just to make sure that you are not limp wristing your Creed when firing it. Limp wristing a pistol can induce failure to return to battery.


If you make sure that you have a nice solid hold when firing your creed, and also use 124 grain 9mm ammo (or better - use 124 grain of 9mm +P ammo), and you still have the same FTRTB issue - then you need to send your Creed into Walther for inspection. Try the above and let us know how it goes.
I can put some 124 gr ammo through it on Thursday as well. I'll post how that works out.


Well, I didn't get to try any 124 grain bullets.
"Forget using any 115 grain ammo, and get some 124grain 9mm ammo to test out."

Why? Explain the difference in the 115 that Walther recommends and the 124 that you are suggesting.
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Old 07-24-2018, 02:10 AM   #14
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BTW, if you limp wristing the gun it’s your WRISTS, and not the grip potentially. AGREED! Also, make sure you are not riding the slide!!!!

A video will Help a bunch!

If you give the gun to an expert shooter and they have the same issues then we are on to something. I'v had two other experts fire it, as well as myself. I am not a newbie, so to speak. No offense take, none intended

Make sure the gun is clean and lubed too. I spent about an hour doing that before I took it to the range Saturday.

And IMO it shoot any ammo you feed it. 115, 124, 147....it should cycle.

It shouldn’t be hard to rack at all....that has me suspicious. It's pretty tough.

My guess is this:

- Limp wristing

- Riding the slide

- dry and no lube

- Bad machining and the slide is rubbing.
Please assume that I am 'experienced' and am an excellent shot with a handgun. No way that you can know that, so just take my word. I am ruling out Limp Wristing and Riding the Slide, but those things would certainly be a factor. Rule out the 'dry and no lube' as well. As I wrote above, I had just cleaned the gun an hour before. However, you might know that the Walther tech that I talked to last Friday morning said that I should have a completely DRY gun. No oil residue at all! That surprised me, so I didn't exactly follow that one. It got a light oiling.
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I didn't know the Creed was hammer fired. I think OldFart has it about right in his first post. There are several things going on right as the slide is closing. Cartridge chambering, rim sliding up the breech face and sliding under the extractor and the barrel locking up. Further shooting might clear it up. A little light oil won't hurt anything. It is just about always recommended to break a gun in especially one that you might use for self defense but I have never purchased a new semi auto in center fire that has required any break in to operate 100%.

Mudbug, I would field strip it...look at the chamber very carefully and make sure it is clean and allows a cartridge to fully seat. You can remove the recoil spring and barrel and remount the slide. This is good for not having to fight the spring while you pull the slide rearward to check smoothness. Absolutely don't load or fire it with the recoil spring removed. You will need the barrel and spring installed to check for smooth lockup of course.

When you fire and the slide doesn't close, keeping finger off the trigger and the pistol pointed in a safe direction try to look in through the ejection port at the cartridge rim and see if it is binding or what exactly is going on as you slowly press the slide closed. Could be an extractor issue, could just need breaking in. With an unloaded pistol you should be able to pull the slide back any amt of distance you choose and it should fully close. 1/4", 1/2", 3/4", etc.

If it doesn't.....it needs to go back. There is something other than the rim dragging up the breech face or a tight extractor. 1917
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I didn't know the Creed was hammer fired. I think OldFart has it about right in his first post. There are several things going on right as the slide is closing. Cartridge chambering, rim sliding up the breech face and sliding under the extractor and the barrel locking up. Further shooting might clear it up. A little light oil won't hurt anything. It is just about always recommended to break a gun in especially one that you might use for self defense but I have never purchased a new semi auto in center fire that has required any break in to operate 100%.

Mudbug, I would field strip it...look at the chamber very carefully and make sure it is clean and allows a cartridge to fully seat. I HAVE DONE THIS. You can remove the recoil spring and barrel and remount the slide. This is good for not having to fight the spring while you pull the slide rearward to check smoothness. I'LL TRY THIS IN THE MORNING Absolutely don't load or fire it with the recoil spring removed. You will need the barrel and spring installed to check for smooth lockup of course.

When you fire and the slide doesn't close, keeping finger off the trigger and the pistol pointed in a safe direction try to look in through the ejection port at the cartridge rim and see if it is binding or what exactly is going on as you slowly press the slide closed. THE EJECTION PORT IS NOT OPEN TO LOOK THROUGH. THE SLIDE IS ALMOST FULLY CLOSED.....NOT QUITE. Could be an extractor issue, could just need breaking in. With an unloaded pistol you should be able to pull the slide back any amt of distance you choose and it should fully close. 1/4", 1/2", 3/4", etc.

If it doesn't.....it needs to go back. There is something other than the rim dragging up the breech face or a tight extractor. 1917
1917 - I hoped that you would find this thread after I told you about it.
This is an issue that I have already spent too much personal time with. It's a band new gun with about 100 rounds fired through it. It never worked well.

Walther made a few suggestions to check, which I did, and gave me the suggested ammo list. I tried three of the four recommended types. They all failed exactly the same way.

It's time that Mama Walther, the Ft. Smith facility took a look at it. No one should have this kind of problem with a brand new gun now that Iv'e done th recommended list of "checks" that they instructed me to do.

I emailed Glenn and told him about this problem as well. We'll see what he says tomorrow..or whenever he replies.
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Hmmmm????? I can post again this evening. Something has been off. I trust you got my e-mail Mudbug. Let's see...your P22 won't run, your creed won't run....did I mention you can't borrow my pistols.... 1917

Ft Smith can sort em out....might be as simple as a sticky extractor. Well, I heard from Glenn early this morning....mailing labels are on the way to you.
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Not to sound flip, but you are not limp wristing it? Also, what type and brand of ammo have you ran through it? Maybe run some "hot" rounds, like the NATO rounds or some known "hotter" loaded ammo?

It just sounds like it is losing slide velocity somehow.
40PP - I called Walther about this problem. The sent me a list of ammo that they recommend. I was using two different ones of the four they suggested. So the ammo was recommended. All four were 115 grain.

The I sent it off to Walther/Ft.Smith.

Watch for an update later this evening. All problems has been worked out.
Great Gun! LOL! Really, though. Just as good I hoped it would be.
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Hmmmm????? I can post again this evening. Something has been off. I trust you got my e-mail Mudbug.

Let's see...your P22 won't run, your creed won't run....did I mention you can't borrow my pistols.... 1917

Hell! I don't even want my other two guns to get near them.


Ft Smith can sort em out....might be as simple as a sticky extractor. Well, I heard from Glenn early this morning....mailing labels are on the way to you.
Is this kind of thing contageous?
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Old 08-06-2018, 12:44 AM   #20
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And FINALLY!

Thanks to some help from 1911 and a fellow that he works with now and then at Walther/Ft Smith, the gun was shipped off on Friday, July 27th in Prepaid FedEx Mailers.

On Wednesday, Aug 1, I got a call from Walther. They found three defective parts that needed to be changed out. (On a brand new gun with less than 100 rounds through it) They did that and mailed the CREED back to me.,

It arrived on Friday, Aug 3 about 3pm. Too late to take it to the range, of course. Then it rained all day Saturday. Actually flooded the range.

Today...Sun Aug 5, I got to take ti to the range once more. It works perfectly!

I love the feel. Solid and full sized.

Accurate! At least as accurate as I am going to be get from it Off-Hand.
Certainly much more accuracy than I get from my Charter Arms snub nosed .38 Special, which is not surprising, since it ony has a 2" barrel.

Great Price! $269 at CDNN Sports for a $400 MSRP gun. Every gun shop that I spoke with locally said that the gun is proving to be a lot better than other in that price range. The CREED has only been out about two years. It's kind of a dark horse. For some reason, it has not become well known yet. I did a search for the Gun Of The Year for 2018, and the CREED was one of those on the short nomination list.

My faith in Walther got a bit wavey there for a couple of days, but in the end, they are making everything right.
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