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Old 03-25-2011, 03:25 PM   #1
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It is better to have a PPK and not need it than to need a PPK and not have it
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Old 03-25-2011, 03:26 PM   #2
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It is better to have a PPK and not need it than to need a PPK and not have it
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Old 03-25-2011, 05:43 PM   #3
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nice pistol! These are quite hard to find. I believe that they are known as sheet pistols.
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Old 03-25-2011, 05:46 PM   #4
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My first exposure. Interesting pistol. Thanks Tan for sharing.
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Old 03-25-2011, 11:00 PM   #5
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Tanfoglio, that is a pistol I've never seen or heard of before. Like many others in your astounding collection, you've got a piece that should be in a museum.

Die seiten der geschichte dieses ist aus. Eine pistole schön.

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Old 03-26-2011, 10:07 AM   #6
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fascinating. thanks for the look. first one I've seen.
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Old 03-26-2011, 11:36 AM   #7
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The USA made a version of this during the war; it was manufactured by one of the car companies, IIRC. It was called the Liberator and looked like this:

Not many survived; the government required that they be destroyed after the war, and most all of them were. They fetch a pretty penny today because of that.

Here's a sqib from Wiki on the Liberator:


One of GM's arms produced it.
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Old 03-27-2011, 06:05 PM   #8
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Anyone care to share the history on this pistol?
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Old 03-28-2011, 07:38 AM   #9
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I've got some info on this pistol laying around somewhere, but can't find it right now. Here is a sight that has all of the war time experimentals by the Germans. The pistol is shown in there, you just have to scroll down.

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Old 07-02-2011, 08:55 PM   #10
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From a German language website Lexikon der Wehrmacht - Pistolen I quote:

"Die Firma Walther hatte zuerst ein Modell in Blechprägetechnik vorgelegt, das dem US-Colt 1911A sehr ähnlich sah. Es wurde wie auch das ähnliche zweite Muster abgelehnt. Erst das dritte Muster fand den Beifall der Gauleitung - das Waffenamt hatte da nichts mehr zu sagen - und wurde akzeptiert. Die Produktion begann am 12. Februar 1945 - am 30. März sollten dann die ersten Waffen geliefert werden. Infolge der sich rapid verschlechternden Lage (Zella-Mehlis, der Firmensitz, wurde am 7. April von Einheiten der 90. US-Division besetzt) werden wohl nur noch wenige dieser Waffen das Werk verlassen haben.
Bei diesen Volkspistolen handelte es sich um sehr primitive Konstruktionen; da zwangsläufig verschiedene, bereits vorhandene Teile verwendet wurden, entstanden sehr eigenwillige Entwürfe"

My translation:

"The Walther company first designed a model using pressed parts technology (as opposed to castings) that appeared to be very similar to the Colt 1911A. Both the first and second attempts were dismissed by the military wepaons bureau. But the third version found favor with party leadership and the weapons bureau could no longer intervene. Production began on Febuary 12, 1945 and by March 30 the first weapons were to be delivered. But because of the rapidly deteriorating situation, (Zella-Mellis, the company headquarters, was occupied by units of the 90th US Division on April 7th), only a few of these arms would leave the factory. With this pistol, came very primitive construction; the situation forced the use of various available parts and examples are unique in their construction."

I just bought a couple surplus P1s today and was cruising the web. Your site was quite helpful. I wandered onto this interesting thread and curiosity lead me to search for more information in German, as I am fluent in German. Perhaps my translation will be of interest.....
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