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Old 12-30-2014, 10:48 AM   #1
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CCP Problems and Issues - Running thread.

http://www.waltherarms.com/ccp-recall/#

March 2017 Recall notice.

Reported problems:

Several owners have posted that the firing pin block (part #43) dropped out of the top of the slide in a manner that caused the slide to be locked. The safety has been redesigned, somewhere in the 18,000 serial number range. The new firing pin block is shown on the left. If you look closely you will see that the rear edge of the block has a much sharper edge than the original design. This sharp edge slams into the rail located on the right side of the rear system housing and can cause considerable swaging of the metal on the nose of the rail. The original design had a more rounded profile.



Sheared counter plate allowing the slide to fly downrange. The slide is not held in place by rails. The slide mounted striker spring assembly hooks into the front facing recess on the counter plate. Reported problems here involve the counter plate breaking, the striker spring binding or breaking which can allow the rear of the slide to separate from the frame.

Magazine dropping out of the pistol while firing: There have been several reports of the magazine being released from the pistol while the owner was firing. This seems to be pretty rare and at present we don't know what is causing it.



Photo by Johnc showing the magazine release plate and the spring leg that causes the plate to engage and lock a magazine in place.

Slide not locking open with an empty magazine: What is causing this has yet to be determined but it is likely the pistol will need to go back to Ft. Smith for assessment and repair. One owner's pistol has been back to Walther twice regarding this issue, a new slide was installed the second trip and the pistol returned but the owner reports it continues to fail to lock the slide back on an empty magazine.

Locking catch failure allowing the slide to separate from the rear frame insert: The CCP employs a counter plate firmly attached to the rear frame insert to hold the striker spring assembly. The striker spring assembly fits into the counter plate's forward facing hook. It is essential that the rear spring components be retained in the hook as they guide movement of the slide. If the rear components don't stay in contact with the hook the rear of the slide can come off the frame. Walther further insures that the striker assembly stays connected by use of a light weight hook whose job it is to not allow these components to move forward even if the striker spring should jam somehow. Unfortunately a couple of Members have had this system fail.



Field stripping difficulties: Many owners have expressed difficulty in removing the rear stop catch from the counter plate. To field strip, the pistol must be unloaded, the trigger pulled to release the striker. This allows the striker to move forward releasing pressure on the striker spring. At the rear of the slide is small silver catch lip that must be lifted straight up until it clears the rear, top notch of the counter plate. At this point the catch can be pressed forward into the slide until the rear of the locking catch clears the front hook of the counter plate. The slide must then be retracted appx. 1/8" so that the extractor clears the chamber cut .The rear of the slide can then be lifted, let forward for dismounting.

The striker spring and rear parts can be removed from the slide by rotating the locking catch 1/4 turn clockwise so that the small pin located at the right, rear side of the striker channel will allow the components to be removed.

When using a screwdriver or other metal object to lift the locking catch tab, do not lift the small catch any higher than necessary to clear the top of the counter plate. If you do so you might bend the tab outward or break it. Second, after the slide has been dismounted, if the striker spring assembly is to be removed don't break off or damage the small pin located at the right rear of the striker channel.

Most Owners report that once the disassembly process is understood the procedure is relatively easy.

Striker springs: There have been several reports of striker spring issues. One broken with the majority of the spring becoming jammed inside the striker cup. Other pistols have had the spring simply snap.



Several Members have posted pictures of post manufactured, hand filing/grinding to the lower chamber lips and feed ramp. A few have reported their pistol has no chamber tooling marks although as of this date no pictures have been shown. This work has not caused any issues....it is just ugly and something you don't expect on a new pistol. It appears Walther has dropped the blued barrel and as serial numbers climb unsightly work in this area seems to be diminishing.



Picture showing grinding effort and tool slippage at the chamber/feed ramp area. Photo by jtf101

Machining on the outer striker rail for ejector clearance: It appears that all slides are having post production machining on the left side of the center rail that houses the striker. This cut is apparently to give clearance for the ejector. Most machining is penetrating the left rail leaving a cut into the striker channel. In several pistols a thin metal sliver has been left. This part can easily break off. No additional problems have been observed due to this to date.

At this point it is probably a good idea for a new owner to inspect this area and if a small sliver of hanging steel is found to remove it or have a qualified gunsmith remove it or contact Ft. Smith for a return of the slide. A serious problem could be encountered should the steel fragment break off into the striker channel.

Photo by Radz

Above is a picture of what has been reported many times. Machining to provide clearance for the ejector, cut through the wall of the striker channel. Some pistols have a sliver of steel hanging from the side of the striker channel at this location. While unsightly no function issues have been reported.

Update: Beginning somewhere in the 18,500 range Walther has installed a revised drop safety.

Premature slide lock back: Several Members have reported issues here. One member reports their pistol being returned for repair but after a few shots the problem returned. We will keep looking into this one. A 3-10-15 report by a member who is having premature slide lock back reports that a faulty drop safety is causing his issues. It might be that some of these slide stoppages are related to a malfunctioning drop safety. The drop safety was redesigned in the 18,500 SN range.

Roll Pin Movement: A couple of Members have reported issues with the small roll pin coming loose at the rear of the striker channel. For some reason part #49, a small roll pin tasked with catching the rear of the locking catch had moved outward, flush with the inside of the channel and would no longer allow the assembly to be locked in the striker channel. The pin was tapped back into position. Loss of this part allows the striker spring assembly to shoot out the rear of the slide upon dismounting. Perhaps some red locktite will be of benefit on the small pin. Another owner had the same pin move out of position which allowed the striker spring assembly to discharge parts out the rear of the slide. These parts are fairly small and proved difficult to find at the range.

Trigger not resetting: With more information coming in we seem to have two issues. First, due to the design of the pistol any short stroke of the slide will cause the striker to not be caught by the sear. This allows the striker to remain in a forward position with the nose of the firing pin resting against the primer. This is of concern to all owners but especially those with weaker hand grip which are one segment of owners the pistol is targeted toward. When this occurs the striker is not caught in a cocked position and with no visible means of determining the status of the striker. Without it being cocked the trigger appears to have not reset when actually the uncocked striker is the problem. Other owners report having had broken or jammed trigger bolt springs.



There is a very small spring loaded bolt (plunger) located on the right side of the pistol and under the trigger bar. The function of this part is to keep upward pressure on the trigger bar at all times. Unless pressed upward by this part the trigger bar will not engage the cylinder. The fit of this part is very loose, wobbles back and forth as the trigger bar moves and has fallen out of one pistol and was only discovered by the owner while inspecting the pistol regarding no trigger engagement. Another owner reports the bolt was displaced in a manner where it blocked movement of the trigger bar which locked up the slide.

Summary: The CCP is designed as a compact carry firearm. Some owners report no functional problems and some report no further function problems after a trip back to Ft. Smith. Others are reporting continuing issues after factory repair. Walther firearms now have a lifetime warranty. I've lost most of the pictures due to PBucket thing.

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An excellent idea, not only for members of this forum but also for the folks at Walther who may be monitoring the site.
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I don't know what the format should be but I'm already getting confused chasing various issues and comments around this rapidly expanding section. Perhaps we need an "Ammo Report" thread where all comments regarding what works, what doesn't could all be kept together. Problems section where problems are reported. I'm sure we have sorted this for other pistols in other sections. The CCP is new, perhaps we should get it together now before topics spread over twenty pages. Perhaps something along these lines begin the FAQ section. e.g. Ammo Reports.

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Problems !!!

Just heard that less than 100 unauthorized CCP's are in circulation. They are not to the quality control standard. That may explain the files marks and problems some are experiencing. Has anyone else heard this?

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Just heard that less than 100 unauthorized CCP's are in circulation. They are not to the quality control standard. That may explain the files marks and problems some are experiencing. Has anyone else heard this?

And from where/whom did you hear this?
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It came from a major distributor through a dealer. I hesitate to identify either should this just be rumor or misinformation and they be inundated with hate mail. I am just wondering if anyone is hearing the same or similar information. With little to no information coming from Walther, we are left to our own devices to garner whatever info we can. I'm just seeking verification.

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LOL,

How would you get 100 unauthorized Walther CCP pistols out of Germany through US Customs and then on the shelves of several different US FFL holders?

That is just too unbelievable to me!
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Picked up mine about an hour ago, looks good but unfortunately I'll not be able to shoot it today. One early issue, it is a NIGHTMARE to disassemble, the tool is virtually worthless and I thought that was bad until I tried to reassemble it. Why oh why couldn't it have come apart like the Q & 99?!
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100 or so could have been in US when they found mistake and tried to correct it without front office knowledge. Just a thought . No guns if Fl yet.
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100 or so could have been in US when they found mistake and tried to correct it without front office knowledge. Just a thought . No guns if Fl yet.

Then they would be recalled pistols not unauthorized CCP pistols.
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