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20 feet 2 33.33%
50 feet 2 33.33%
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Old 03-16-2017, 11:02 PM   #1
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Accuracy with PPX

Hi guys so I'm a new shooter and wanted to simply ask. I can headshot at 20ft. with little aiming effort, however when I move the target down to 30' I find it is INCREDIBLY difficult to even hit the chest area around the heart.

Is this normal or should I get my barrel checked out? Will a hot barrel cripple accuracy? I started off really well then after 100 rounds accuracy just plummeted. Can a hot barrel ruin accuracy? A range master said to me I should let my gun cool because it was too hot to touch but I didn't give it much thought to see if my following shots were suddenly more accurate.

Also, I've read people can shoot this gun reliably past 70ft. and the difficulty curve from shooting from 20ft to 30ft was very steep. Is this normal? Thanks!
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Old 03-18-2017, 02:23 AM   #2
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accuracy at 30 ft.

Umbra, bench rest your PPX at 30 ft. or more. You will be able to answer your own questions. As far as heat affecting accuracy, Yes it does. I have a Creed which is a newer PPX. I can put 5 rounds on a NRA 25 yard pistol target [which is 75 ft]. I am happy to stay on the paper with some in the black. So there may be nothing wrong with your PPX.
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Old 03-18-2017, 03:32 AM   #3
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Hey Inkie,

Many thanks for the reply. I wanted to say that the first few clips (around 50 bullets) when starting was pretty accurate at 30 feet then dropped off swiftly. I let it cool but it was still hot and then shot more and was pretty accurate (in the black area) for the first clip then veered off the to left. I was shooting far upper right to get the lower left. I wanted to say this in my post felt like it was my imagination. Does this still sound like a hot barrel?

Either way, I plan to go to a range again on Monday to test this. If it is a hot barrel, then how can I cool it more quickly other than outdoor air (lol 92⁰F here in AZ) and blowing on it with my mouth? Seems pretty futile to cool it down.

Any advice is very much appreciated! Thanks!
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Old 03-19-2017, 01:38 AM   #4
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Umbra, I still think you should bench rest the gun to see where the point of aim is. You than have a reference point.
If the barrel overheats the recommended course of action is to get the gun out of the sun and wait 20 mins. or so. Slow down perhaps your shooting to fast in that heat with +p or +p+ loads. You can accelerate the time by going into a cool place. HAPPY SHOOTING..

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I'm afraid I'm not able to bench shoot at the ranges I go to, but I'll figure out a way.

Yes I can shoot fast sometimes. I train hard in all that I do. I like to headshot at a specified distance until I can do it easily then I like to up the game by learning to draw and shoot very fast to practice defensive scenarios. Sometimes I can drain 32 bullets in a just a few seconds when I am intensively practicing so that is the obvious first culprit.

Both times when my gun was too hot to even touch I was using my favorite outdoor range in 90 degree weather in the full sun for 2 hours. Even the shade was over 80 degrees.

Monday I'm going to my favorite indoor range. It's well ventilated and air conditioned. I shot 250 bullets there in 1 hour without any overheating accuracy issues. Learning is always fun!
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Umbra, I still think you should bench rest the gun to see where the point of aim is. You than have a reference point.
If the barrel overheats the recommended course of action is to get the gun out of the sun and wait 20 mins. or so. Slow down perhaps your shooting to fast in that heat with +p or +p+ loads. You can accelerate the time by going into a cool place. HAPPY SHOOTING..
By the way, I'm only shooting Fiocchi 115gr 9mm FMJ's
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So I went to the range today and confirmed that when my Barrel gets a little too hot for me to touch and hold the accuracy drops far to the left where I can barely hit the target. I made it a point to shoot slower and to field strip my gun to let it cool off and I was able to shoot at 20 yards reliably. Is this a failing of the Walther PPX or do all pistols tend to do this?
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By the way, I'm only shooting Fiocchi 115gr 9mm FMJ's

Fiocchi ammo tends to run to the "hot" side to begin with.
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Next time you go to the range try longer distance first to see what happens. I would also let someone else try it to see what their results are. I can't say I have ever heard of a pistol loosing that much accuracy due to heat. It could also be fatigue setting with you.
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Does sound like shooters fatigue.
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