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Old 05-18-2017, 05:21 PM   #1
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Heavier Trigger in PPQ

First let me say many many many thanks to IMOLD for his help in this endeavor. I love the way the Q feels in my hand. Few pistols have such great ergonomics. Now, l was always a little afraid to use it as an EDC because of the light trigger; and I preferred a heavier trigger for an EDC. For those that don't feel the need, I salute you. Now here are the results of the placement of different springs as the trigger spring:
Sodemann Spring- Avg trigger weight
E01800220750S - not used
E01800240750S - 4.2lb
E01800260750S - 5.6lb
E01800260750M - 6.8lb
E01800310750S - 10.13lbs
E01800340750S- 11.1lbs
All measurements were done with a Lyman Electronic and done by a professional gunsmith. The average is of 4 measurements. The 6.8lb spring did not dip below 6.4 as I watched the gunsmith later measure the trigger when I arrived at the store. The 6.8lb trigger was a very smooth trigger that felt like 4lbs. In fact, I let one young salesman there pull the trigger and give me an estimate of what he thought it was. He said 4lbs. He did not know the original trigger had been replaced. I chose the 6.8lb trigger for my PPQ. For those that say it is a " range gun," it is not and you can have a heavier trigger that conforms to what some say ought to be no less than 5.5lb in a striker fired handgun. Only two other pistols have given me a 6lb trigger that is this smooth, my HK VP 9 and my Sig 320 both have 6lb very smooth triggers like this one. No pistol has every felt as good in my hand as the PPQ. I am ecstatic!
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Old 05-18-2017, 09:36 PM   #2
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How about a P99. Simply the best combo IMO what your looking for. Cheers J
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Old 05-18-2017, 10:11 PM   #3
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How about a P99. Simply the best combo IMO what your looking for. Cheers J
Took the words right out of my keyboard. If the PPQ trigger is too light, then go with a P99 AS with DA/SA trigger.

Problem solved.
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Old 05-18-2017, 11:03 PM   #4
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What was the trigger pull before any spring changes? I have found trigger pull weight to be very dependent on exactly where on the trigger the measurement was taken and each change should be measured at the same exact spot and be pulled straight back parallel to the frame and bore ideally in a vice or some way to keep the pistol from moving when being done. If the trigger pull is 6.8 LBs IMO it should feel very similar in weight to an unmodified Glock 19.

Did you discuss these spring changes with Walther support and get their thoughts? On a range gun I would not care but on a CCW/SD pistol I would have concerns about possible reliability.
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Old 05-18-2017, 11:19 PM   #5
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How about a P99. Simply the best combo IMO what your looking for. Cheers J
I have two P 99s. However, I am an old 1911 shooter. Therefore, I prefer triggers that stay in the same place and are not da sa. Nothing wrong with the P 99 it is a fine pistol with an excellent trigger; otherwise I would not have two of them.
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What was the trigger pull before any spring changes? I have found trigger pull weight to be very dependent on exactly where on the trigger the measurement was taken and each change should be measured at the same exact spot and be pulled straight back parallel to the frame and bore ideally in a vice or some way to keep the pistol from moving when being done. If the trigger pull is 6.8 LBs IMO it should feel very similar in weight to an unmodified Glock 19.

Did you discuss these spring changes with Walther support and get their thoughts? On a range gun I would not care but on a CCW/SD pistol I would have concerns about possible reliability.
The trigger pull weight was 4lbs before the change to the triggers was made. The 4lbs felt very very light. I measured it and the gunsmith measured it. Pull weight was measured from the tip of the trigger not the middle. The tip will actually give you a lighter weight than the middle.
Glock triggers and other triggers are apple and oranges. Glock refuses to improve their triggers. They stink. Trust me I have a lot of Glocks. The FBI actually specified the Glock trigger had to be between 4 and 6lbs on their new pistols from Glock. Pull a six lb Glock trigger and then pull the same poundage on a Sig 320 or a HK VP 9 and you will be astounded at the smoothness of the latter two as compared to the same weight Glock. Like I said the gunsmith was amazed at the smoothness of the trigger we installed in the Q.
I could care less what Walther thinks. I have dealt with those morons before. See my " Unintentional Release" thread. I wrote them a letter about that and then started that thread after having the mag drop out of gun numerous times ( once was too many). What they told me was that " maybe the pistol was not meant for me." Their engineers are a lot smarter than their management.
Reliability is a matter of shooting the pistol a lot. Any pistol. Forums are full of complaints about reliability and functioning problems. I have so called reliably pistols fail in my hand..
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Apologies Grumpy if I seemed grumpy with my reply; but I simply do not feel like discussing reliability with an organization that blew me off when I tried to point out they had a reliability issue with their mag button spring. If I worried about reliability I would continue to carry a Glock as they are still King of the Hill when it comes to reliability, simplicity, and durability. Hard to beat a Glock.
I would like to give my thanks to Lanzer who also suggested several springs and the others who helped with this project.
For those who like the P 99, nothing wrong with that pistol, I like it to. I jus like striker fired pistols better.
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No problem as I can understand why you would feel that way. I am glad you found something that works for you. Let us know how it works as you get more rounds through it. It would be great if Walther could offer such an option. One thing I like about HK is they offer a variety of springs to vary trigger pull weight in their DA/SA and LEM pistols. I read a rumor that CZ is going to offer a heavier spring for the P-10C also.
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No problem as I can understand why you would feel that way. I am glad you found something that works for you. Let us know how it works as you get more rounds through it. It would be great if Walther could offer such an option. One thing I like about HK is they offer a variety of springs to vary trigger pull weight in their DA/SA and LEM pistols. I read a rumor that CZ is going to offer a heavier spring for the P-10C also.
HK offers a number of triggers in some of it pistols. V1, V2 etc. The nicest set of springs they offer is the competition package for their HK USP FS. I have that set in my HK USP FS. This is a brute of a pistol, DA SA, rather large, that shoots like a match pistol with those springs. I really like mine. The SA pull is 31/2lbs and the DA if very smooth.
Walther may not want to offer such a package because they feel it could give them liability issues.
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For those who want a lighter trigger, I wouldn't spend big bucks sending overseas for the Sodermann springs, plus shipping costs, when there's a much less expensive alternative. My Q5 just came back from Walther with a new fire control system and trigger, because of a dead trigger problem. The trigger pull is at 5.5lbs and seems to be reliable. I found a spring set at Menard's, part of a set of 200 springs, for $8.00 called Sontax. I took the smallest spring, 13/64" diameter by 13/16 length (10 of them in the kit) and bent the end coils, a quarter turn inward and then clipped a very small piece off one end, to make it look like the factory spring.
The trigger pull is now 4lbs. If I have problems, I'll re-install the factory one, but I don't think I will. I also have 9 left over for some friends.

The top spring is the factory one.
The center spring is from the spring kit and unmodified.
The bottom spring is after modification.

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