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Old 04-14-2014, 11:53 PM   #1
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Unintentional Magazine Release PPQ M 2

Apparently this unintentional magazine release is a common problem in the PPQ M2. Purchase of the following kit and replacement of the magazine release springs MAY solve the problem. I replaced mine today ( I had 6 unintentional magazine releases before replacement) with much stronger magazine release springs:
Chicago shootings: At least 4 dead among 36 shot - chicagotribune.com
The magazine release spring will now no longer allow the button to stick half way in as it does with the Walther spring. It is imperative this pistol has a very strong magazine release because the button sticks up above the grip ( unlike other semi autos), and it can easily and inadvertently come into contact with various things ( holster, hand, items in a case etc) causing it to stick half way in the pistol and setting up an unintentional magazine release, as only slight pressure against the button ( now stuck half way in ) is now needed to cause the magazine to release.
I am now testing the replacement springs to see if any further unintentional magazine releases will occur. I will do these tests by carrying the pistol all day for several days in a holster that gave me one intentional magazine release; and I will carry it in a zipper bag several times when I had two unintentional magazine releases. Unfortunately, I cannot repeat the two day course where I had three unintentional magazine releases. I will say the stronger spring does cause the magazine button to bounce back when pressed and not stick. It now reacts like other semi auto's magazine buttons and releases the magazine after pressure ( my Sigs, S&W M&Ps, Glocks, XD's, 1911's) etc.
I will report back after conducting these tests. If these springs fail to cure this problem ( however, I think they will ) then the design of the pistol is faulty. In the meantime you should buy the kit and replace the springs with the stronger ones if you are experiencing this problem.
I have written to Walther and sent and received several e mails from Walther. Mr Vorhees, National Sales Manager for Walther, has already stated in an e mail to me that he will talk to the pistol's designer about this problem. He also ordered a set of the springs from Brownells.
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Old 04-15-2014, 07:05 AM   #2
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I believe the springs come brownells or wolf but the packet seems to hold a buch of differernt springs. Is there any way you can direct me to the spring that worked for you?
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Old 04-15-2014, 08:34 AM   #3
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I believe the springs come brownells or wolf but the packet seems to hold a buch of differernt springs. Is there any way you can direct me to the spring that worked for you?
No I cannot. I took the pistol and the spring kits to my gunsmith and had him pick out the springs that were correct for my two PPQ M 2's. I did this because I wanted to reduce the possibility of a mistake, by using a qualified gunsmith, on which springs to put in the pistol to test.
You can probably match the springs by visually observing and comparing them. That is what my gunsmith did.
It is a one time deal with me anyway. If this does not work, the pistols either get put up in my safe, traded, or sold.
I can only suggest that if you are not comfortable picking out the springs yourself - visit a gunsmith and let him do it.
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Old 04-15-2014, 08:47 AM   #4
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I think Walther should ship the PPQ M2 pistols with the standard magazine button release spring installed and the heavy duty spring included in a small plastic bag. Much the same way they include three back straps. What's an extra spring going to add to the overall cost.....maybe 50 cents? This is a simple, cost effective solution....allowing M2 owners to customize/personalize their pistols to suit their own taste/requirements/needs.

I DO have a pair of M2's, and I have not experienced any of the problems indicated in this thread. So, I'd be one of the one's that would use the stock spring. But this is no different than the back strap option ...... where the first thing I do when purchasing a new PPQ or P99 is change the back strap from 'M' to 'S', while others prefer one of the other sizes. Customization......I love it.....and the necessary parts are (or should/could be) included with the pistol.
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Old 04-15-2014, 10:56 AM   #5
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I think Walther should ship the PPQ M2 pistols with the standard magazine button release spring installed and the heavy duty spring included in a small plastic bag. Much the same way they include three back straps. What's an extra spring going to add to the overall cost.....maybe 50 cents? This is a simple, cost effective solution....allowing M2 owners to customize/personalize their pistols to suit their own taste/requirements/needs.
Excellent solution. However, I think eventually Walther should replace its magazine springs with stronger springs and eliminate any possibility of the problem occurring ( if that is a solution to this problem - and I am pretty well convinced it is).
I think it is a lot different from the backstrap option. I would not carry a pistol in harms way where the possibility of an unintentional magazine release could occur. The pistol certainly would not make it as my EDC.
Because you have not experienced an unintentional magazine release does not mean you are not going to. Kind of like an ND.
I also have two M 2's and have experienced the problem with both of them. How hard have you run your two pistols and how much have you carried them?
I ran one of mine through a two day pistol course firing 700 rounds ( three unintentional magazine releases), took it to the range often ( no problem), fired it in IDPA matches ( no problem), carried every day in a holster for a couple of months ( one unintentional magazine release - one is too many), and carried in a zipper overnight bag with books for a couple of weeks
( two unintentional magazine releases). My EDC goes everywhere with me in various modes of carry. I have carried other button release pistols
( 1911's, Glocks, S&W M&Ps etc) over the years the same way as my two PPQ M 2's with absolutely no problems in this area. I now have well over 2,000 rounds through one of the PPQ M -2's. Problem is you cannot tell when this unintentional magazine release will occur with the factory springs. It will probably not occur if all you are doing is taking it to the range occasionally and using it as a range gun.
I am still testing these new stronger springs to make sure this does not happen again and I think that is the answer to the problem. I would not be spending so much time and effort on this pistol if I did not like it so much.
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Apparently this unintentional magazine release is a common problem in the PPQ M2. Purchase of the following kit and replacement of the magazine release springs MAY solve the problem. I replaced mine today ( I had 6 unintentional magazine releases before replacement) with much stronger magazine release springs:
Chicago shootings: At least 4 dead among 36 shot - chicagotribune.com
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Old 04-15-2014, 06:50 PM   #7
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It is imperative this pistol has a very strong magazine release because the button sticks up above the grip ( unlike other semi autos)...
What does "up above the grip" mean in this context?

I've handled an M2, and I thought the button was placed in a pretty good spot. I haven't shot an M2 yet though.

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Excellent solution. However, I think eventually Walther should replace its magazine springs with stronger springs and eliminate any possibility of the problem occurring ( if that is a solution to this problem - and I am pretty well convinced it is).
Mag springs are an issue as well?


I may have missed the answers to these questions before but, do you shoot with a thumbs-forward grip? What holster are you using to carry this pistol?

I'm going to have to suggest that you switch to another platform if you are having this many issues with these pistols. If the issue really is as bad as you are saying, then I hope Walther gets to the bottom of it, but I have to admit that I'm wondering why we haven't heard of more reports of this from others who have bought an M2.

If I may, I'd suggest you start a thread over at the "Handguns Semi-Auto" section of m4carbine.net to see if anyone there has had these same issues with the M2. If I recall correctly, I've read some reviews from guys on that forum about how they ran the PPQ M2 through training classes.
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I have shot 4 matches with my PPQ & been the range a few times. I don't see this ever being an issue. The mag release sticks out less than a Glock does. Is anyone else having this issue?
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Old 04-16-2014, 08:25 AM   #9
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Whats up with this link?
My apologies. Wrong link posted I was trying to post this link:
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I don't see this ever being an issue. The mag release sticks out less than a Glock does. Is anyone else having this issue?
It's not so much a matter of how far it sticks out, but rather how strong the button's spring is. There have been a few reports of the issue. I haven't had it, but I'd rather correct it so it doesn't every show up, because it will only ever show up when I need it most.

The problem is there on my firearm, but my grip and carry haven't caused any accidental mag ejections to this point, but in testing, if I push the mag release part-way, it will not return out.
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