Lower your thumb down towards the ring finger and you won't have the bite. I have shot my PPK/S for years Iam 6'2" 330lbs have large hands never bit. You will also have a better grip on pistol.

 

Thank you I took eyesore hogue rubber grip sleeve with beavertail off. Lowered the the thumb of my shooting hand towards my ring finger. This is the only gun I had the issue of slide bite with, not even with a G.I. issue 1911.

 

Michael, read my post carefully. That does not work for me. Everyone's hands are different. Lowering my thumb does not help. It doesn't. Really. I'm serious. It's the truth. Just because it works for you, doesn't mean it will work for others.

 

This subject has been talked about many times, my oft repeated suggestion is wide grips to spread ones hands apart and to help provide a secure hold to keep the .380 PPK from rocking back in your hand.

If you have a pistol that rips up your hand - like my .380 PPK did, I think you should get rid of it or relegate it to "range gun" status. In order to be effective with a firearm it must poke holes in what you are shooting at ... not you! Steve may disagree, but packing a handgun that you know is going to cut you up when you shoot it cannot inspire confidence.

The Walther is a lovely pistol, but there are lots of handguns in the same general pattern and caliber that will not cut you up. The SIG P230 comes to mind.

The extended tang on the custom Walther PP is an elegant solution, and the workman-like tang on the S&W while more practical - is an option if you can deal with the other issues that go along with it. I don't see a "stick on" application as very valuable ... I may be wrong though.

 

I think this plastic extension is genius for ten bucks. While it may not be the most aesthetically pleasing thing I've ever seen, the "a gun is just a tool" folks won't care at all.

I just had a Sig P232 in my possession and I couldn't stand it. The grip was way too wide for me and the heel magazine release simply does not work for me. I love the Walther PPK pistol. The mag release is right where it is on my other pistols and the trigger is smooth in DA and light in SA. For some reason I still can't 100% put my finger on, I shoot the Walther PPK extremely well. The sights are excellent on modern (post WWII) PPK pistols too. I like the thinness of the factory grip. I've tried Hogue, Nils, and that guy on Ebay/Gunbroker with the walnut checkered grips with the Walther banner. None of them feel right in my hand and none of them stopped the Walther bite on the webbing of my hand.

When I practiced drawing and firing and moving and swapping magazines on steel with my stainless PPK .380, it drew blood. If I just plink or shoot paper, I won't get bit.

I'm not willing to sell my treasured Walthers to buy a Bersa or a Sig or something else to replace the Walther. Truth is that I have my Walthers, but I carry a S&W Bodyguard due to its reduced weight and size. Well, I admit it doesn't bite me either. And it's got a built in laser.

The stick on application is hard to beat for just $10. I think it's a reasonable solution to a real problem that some PP series shooters have. I give credit to the maker for coming up with it. I talked to my best friend who is highly experienced in resin/polymer molds and he thought years ago that it would work, but he didn't think the market was big enough to support the time it would take to bring a working product to the public.

Again, kudos to the guy who made this. I wanted to risk my ten dollars to see what he came up with. If it never gets off the ground, at least I got one. I hope it works out for him.

 

For $10, I'm in, just to give it a try. Looks pretty doggone clever to me.

 

mm6mm6, I've tried to find it on EBay, but I can't. What words should I put into the search?

 

mm6mm6, I've tried to find it on EBay, but I can't. What words should I put into the search?

Rev....here ya go.......
Walther PPK s Interarms Beaver Tail Stops Slide Bite | eBay

 

thank you so much

I have shot mine with the tab and have had no problems..there was a question about the hammer hitting the tab...the one i made and installed on my gun does not hit it....but since each one is hand made and sanded before painting...they are alittle different each time...i have a return policy and will send you another one if it does hit!!!!...FREE ....i'm not trying to get rich here as mentioned before i love this gun ..and put mine away for years because of the slide bite...i searched EVERYWHERE on the net for some one who had a fix for this...NOTHING...AND I DIDN"T want to sell it..
the above gun pics are beautiful..and I"M SORRY MY CRAFTMANSHIP DOESENT MATCH THIS BEAUTIFUL GUN!!!!!!...thats prob the most beatiful walther i have seen...i'm in awe of this gun and to suggest (TO JUST SELL IT?... by one of our members ).. ...no offense...everyone has their own opinion... but every one has their baby..be it a car , gun,boat, motorcycle or ?.... we cherish the things that make us happy

 

My vote for the best looking PPK around!

Steve: I have never seen such awesome work. What a beautiful gun!

 

Steve: I have never seen such awesome work. What a beautiful gun!

Apparently you haven't met Steve...he owns nothing but the best, and has had many pieces engraved which are all beautiful.

Steve - start a new thread with your S&W!

Photo

 

Just shot my SW PPK. The extended tail does work. Never could tell if it really made a difference on the SW PPKS I once owned (+2k rounds through it before trading), but there's no doubt it works for me on the PPK.

Question - perhaps for Tanfo (Walther King). Is "Walther Bite" well documented in German shooting? Did the Germans ever consider the extended beaver tail, or was this strictly a "SW first" innovation? Also, when the PP series pistols were carried by the German Army/Police did their training address how avoid "Walther Bite?"

 

FwIk 'slide bite' wasn't an issue in Germany. We know, design of the beaver tail changed during Walther/ZM production but not during Manurhin production (they used the later ZM design). My uncle, who was a police detective and carried the PPK, told me that it wasn't an issue for German police too.

 

...FwIk 'slide bite' wasn't an issue in Germany...

I'm sure it wasn't. For two reasons:

1) The Germans only used the 7.65mm version of the pistol, therefore the recoil impulse was minimal. As is well documented, the rappy .380 version is not the most enjoyable gun to shoot.

2) The Germans were not of the "hefty" variety, and thus did not have gorilla-sized hands wrapped around the rear of the pistol.

 

I have large hands (but not fat ) and my PPK has bitten at first until I changed the grips. It's not a question of caliber. My uncle said, if they had a problem his colleagues did the same. Later (if it not solved the problem) they changed the gun (HK4 f.e.).

 

Thanks AoX.... and Martin. Answers my question as to why the best engineers in the world would let a design issue could go unanswered for so long. I bet those guys back in Zella would approve of the SW extended beaver tail. I'm not a fan of how it changes the lines of the PPK, but am starting to notice it less.

 

Thanks AoX.... and Martin. Answers my question as to why view the best engineers in the world let a design issue could go unanswered for so long. I bet those guys back in Zella would approve of the SW extended beaver tail. I'm not a fan of how it changes the lines of the PPK, but am starting to notice it less.

It's not a design issue it's a grip issue. I have much larger hands than most and have never once been bitten.

 

Back when the Walther was first made and through WW2 most adult males were about the size of a 15 year old today. Slide bite was not an issue.

 

You didn't know my grandpa. More than two meter tall and about 130kg weighty...

 

Beavertail extension

Does this Beavertail Extension fit on a PPK/S S&W version? Also what holds it in place? It it a friction fit application?
I have a PPK/S and can only take about 2-3 magazines before it starts to hurt. Maybe holding it lower on the handle?

I know that I can shoot it better than a PK380 that I also have.
J

 

My understanding is that the tang extensions are applied with glue. Why you'd need one on an S&Walther is beyond me, though, given the engineering that went into the extended beavertail.

 

Based on human engineering, I guess SW realized the old design could be improved for many of today's shooters who are much larger than folks in the 1930's. My Ranger PPK does not bite me, but only if I focus on my grip and have a low round count.

 

A lot depends on the hand size period. If you have large hands try Pilot Steve's grip and completely hold the gun with your thumb and ring finger. That's all. Just those two fingers. Your index finger should be in a straight line parallel to the slide and straight to the trigger. Your hand needs to be moved down the grip. If your trigger finger is not straight ahead parallel to the slide you will get bit if your hands are thick which is the real problem here. Though I have small hands they are rather beefy from a career in weight lifting. When I hold my PPK If I don't have my hand down the grip far enough it lays a nice .060" deep cut right over that beefy hand web. When your trigger finger is parallel to the slide it just can’t happen. My holster (Galaco pocket) is perfect for my grip. The PPK comes right out with my hand low thumb down and straight trigger finger. There is no other way to shoot it if you have thick hands. It is surprisingly easy to hold and site with this grip. Though you feel like it will not be held well enough. With the way the grip and recoil are handled by the PPK it takes a lot of the "sting" out of the 380 round. The gun stays put and recoils easier since your grip can't lock the blast to your hand. You have to draw and practice several 100 rounds but, I found suddenly it was natural 30 years ago. Never even realize I hold it that way after a year or so.
However, I can’t wait to try out that add on Tang Extension! I can see it helping me as I grow older.

 

THANK YOU ALL

I just wanted to thank everyone for your support for my tang invention for the walther ppk/s....i have sold quite a few....thanks for all your help guys and girls....well enough said...take care every one and have a fun safe summer

jeff

 

THANK YOU ALL

I just wanted to thank everyone for your support for my tang invention for the walther ppk/s....i have sold quite a few....thanks for all your help guys and girls....well enough said...take care every one and have a fun safe summer

jeff

Hello Jeff
Newbie to the forum here. Have owned a PPKS for fifty plus years but seldom use it because of slide bite.
Guess I've a permanent bad habit thanks to 1911's. Where can I get one of your 'tang inventions'?
Thanks
Dennis45/70

 

Ok... so I got to Ebay and collected 3 of cmore's plastic extensions. Loved it! Makes practice less fatiguing. Very comfortable. I carry my PPK for undercover CCW everyday. The glue dots stick quite well. I did find that it was difficult to keep it on there after constant front pocket holster carry. Not a big deal. they stick right back on. They are fragile and a solid strike to the tang will break it. For the price just stick another one on. When cleaning you have to pull it off do to the grip being under it. Also, it puts my trigger finger a little further back. I fixed all of this by cutting and blending the piece to the top of the grip in back. I then epoxied it on. The way cmore' made it, it fits slightly over the beavertail point. That is the thin section and where it breaks. When you epoxy it to the tab after trimming and blending it is da## strong! and is pretty much perfect after a little touch up. It actually looks like the gun was made with it. Now what happened was I liked it so much I decided to send it back to Cylinder & Slide to have a custom tail welded and blended in. I hold my PPK correctly and slide bite was only an issue once. No one showed me how to hold such a small pistol till I bled. The extended tail is not needed on a PPK when you hold it correctly (thumb down over index finger one or two finger hold). I usually just hold it between my index and thumb fingers. Just those two. Ring finger and little finger just under the clip.

As I have said I carry this gun every day. I have no backup's. I carry on the streets in jeans or shorts and a tee shirt. Just the way the job works. I chose the weld on because of that. After I felt how well practice became with cmores' perminantly attached the decision was easy. I will use the modified epoxy cmore piece until the boy's at C&S call me. 14 month lead time! Boy that sucks. Anyway, just trying cmore's trick piece is an eye opener! And I know I have a lot of money in customization. The Big Dot sight system and The Beaver Tail cost as much as the gun. However there is no better pistol to invest the money in. All steel... All steel. It has been carried every day for many years full of FMJ it has never let me down. My life depends on this gun and it has saved it more than once. I have shot them all SIG'S, LCP's, Kahr's keep em. I despise plastic and DA only guns are not for me. I am not a rookie who needs to be sure I am not pulling the 10 lbs 50 foot creep trigger at the wrong thing. As I have written, plastic DA only almost cost me dearly. I carry one in full clip safety off and no, it won't fire if you drop it. Don't belive it. I have dropped mine several times. FMJ penetrates quite well and leaves a big hole. The PPK hits true. Well placed shot, one shot stop.

 

If being bitten if you actually have to use the gun isn't an issue (and I'll concede that it's a large if; 153's remarks about 'confidence' are well taken), I've found that a bicycle glove will protect the web of the hand while leaving the fingers bare to operate the trigger and controls. It works really well for practice; a large handed buddy used this technique.
Since I no longer have a .380, it's a non problem for me personally.
Moon

 

heres thi link to the beaver tail guard

Walther PP PPK PPK s Beaver Tail Stops Slide Bite | eBay

 

lynnogden50, welcome.
If you check the date, this is quite an old thread. Current manufacture of the big ducktail tang has likely crimped any prospect for his product.
Consider my advice about using a bicycle glove for range runs.
Moon

 

I have never shot with a glove on, but that appears to be the most useful information so far.

 

It is certainly a cheap enough solution, there is padding on the palm, and the area around your thumb is protected.
Moon

 

No luck locating it.