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Old 06-26-2012, 10:49 PM   #1
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PP vs PPK/S

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I understand the PP and the PPK/S are made on the same frame. Is there any real difference between the two?
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:12 PM   #2
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Same grip frame, but the PP has a longer sight radius than the PPK/s.
The PPK/s was an expedient to import the Walther guns into the US when they were banned based on their dimensions. Too-tiny guns were baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.
The PP is blessed with more mass in its longer slide as well as more sight radius.
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For the reason cited by Halfmoonclip, the PPK/S is basically a PPK barrel and slide mounted upon a PP frame. Here are the relevant dimensions.

PP Barrel: 3.9 inches
PPK/S or PPK Barrel: 3.3 inches

PP Length: 6.7 inches
PPK/S or PPK Length: 6.1 inches

PP or PPK/S Height: 4.3 inches
PPK Height: 3.9 inches

One final item: As the PP and PPK/S both share the same basic frame, both have a full metal back strap and side-mounted plastic grips. The PPK has no metal back strap. Instead, the PPK has wrap-around plastic grips that join together in the back of the butt.

From a blog I did on the subject (link here):



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Old 06-27-2012, 06:57 PM   #4
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Thank you Gentlemen. I knew I would get answers from this great forum.
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Just one more thought. If you're concerned about concealment, the PPK is a little easier. If you like to shoot...the PPK/S should be considered and it will feel just like your PP and accept the same magazines as well.
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Or if you want more power with less recoil, choose the PP.

The longer barrel of the PP usually pays greater dividends than the difference between standard ammo and +P. And the added weight at the muzzle gives less recoil and more stability.

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Or if you want more power with less recoil, choose the PP.

The longer barrel of the PP usually pays greater dividends than the difference between standard ammo and +P. And the added weight at the muzzle gives less recoil and more stability.

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Mike, any firmly held opinions about the differences in reliability between the two barrel lengths, assuming .380 caliber? You've already noted that the PP length slide gives less perceived recoil; I'd concur.
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Old 06-27-2012, 10:03 PM   #8
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I have a 1965 PP and want to get a PPK. I have always discounted the PPK/S because I thought it was just a later model PP. Now I am intrigued and might have to put it on my wish list.
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Mike, any firmly held opinions about the differences in reliability between the two barrel lengths, assuming .380 caliber? You've already noted that the PP length slide gives less perceived recoil; I'd concur.
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No opinion worth expressing. One would have to fire and record thousands of rounds through many pairs of each model to get a statistically valid comparison free of any influence of better or worse performance from an individual gun.

That sort of shooting usually is done only in factory or military testing. That long-term observation was, for example, what led to the repositioning of the extractor in the SIG/Sauer P232 from the P230.

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One would have to fire and record thousands of rounds through many pairs of each model to get a statistically valid comparison free of any influence of better or worse performance from an individual gun.
Nahhhh - that's too much work... Just look it up on Wikipedia. They have all the answers!

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