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Old 04-08-2012, 04:58 PM   #1
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Transitional American Made PPK Serial Numbers

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I own a Walther .380 stainless PPK/S serial number 3414AAA pictured in these attached photo’s. From the production history and markings the pistol appears produced under the first year of S&W licensing but before S&W put its own serial numbers on the Walther licensed PPK’s made in Houlton, Maine likely in 2000 or 2001. The serialization neither matches Interarms nor S&W numbering systems. In addition the pistol has no punch mark indicating S&W recall repairs; the magazine has an “-A-“ stamped on the spine in addition to the standard Walther markings, and the “VA” proofing mark of Interarms appears on the barrel in the ejection port. In the interim period between the end of the Interarms license (1999) and the beginning of S&W manufacturing (2001) it appears pistols were made in Gadsden, Alabama by Black Creek or Mid-South Companies under the S&W license but using various component parts. Records show that 6,600 pistols were manufactured in .380 calibre at Black Creek in 2000. The suffix “AAA” could represent: first 10,000 series, stainless, Alabama, or simply be filler. These transitional American PPK’s need to be recognized and valued much like P-38 variations, as distinct from the more common serially-numbered German made, Interarms licensed, or S&W manufactured and licensed variations. Any further information or data on these pistols appreciated!
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Old 11-03-2012, 12:14 PM   #2
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Hi I am new here but I just picked up a blued .380 PPK/S with a serial number of 9862AAA and all the same marking yours has but can't find any info on it
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Old 11-03-2012, 01:22 PM   #3
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Donriker as per the FAQ here yours is before Umarex gave the license to S&W. Its also my understanding all S&W made PPK models were the long tang version which yours is not. Also S&W models say S&W on them yours does not. Yours is a "Ranger" Mid-South built PPK which people here seem to like.

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Old 11-03-2012, 03:49 PM   #4
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Quite diplomatic, Driften.

The two prior posters have PPK models, not PPK/S versions.
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I apologize I did not look at the pictures well enough, my blued .380 says PPK/S on the slide
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No apology needed epyon. If yours is the extended magazine (7 rounds), it's an "S".
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Walther PPK's Made in the 1999-2001 US Transition Period

Thanks to all, particularly Driften and MGMike, for referencing previous posts on this subject. I mistakenly did refer to my PPK as an "S". Two remaining questions: 1) are there any monthly production data across the transition period and do we know where the Mid-South serialization starts and stops?; and, 2) is it likely that these transitional variations with Mid-South serial numbers will be valued higher than Interarms or S&W production runs in the future (Blue Book does not call them out now)?
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Thanks to all, particularly Driften and MGMike, for referencing previous posts on this subject. I mistakenly did refer to my PPK as an "S". Two remaining questions: 1) are there any monthly production data across the transition period and do we know where the Mid-South serialization starts and stops?; and, 2) is it likely that these transitional variations with Mid-South serial numbers will be valued higher than Interarms or S&W production runs in the future (Blue Book does not call them out now)?
1) I don't believe that any such information, though it undoubtedly exists somewhere, is presently available.

2) Why would anybody pay more for a different s/n series?

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I would. A nice addition to collection that stamped Walther usa LLC springfield ma. not interarms ....sure it will be in demand by some. (not just the serial #)
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2) Why would anybody pay more for a different s/n series?

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Because it's a unique variation, same reason a RZM marked PPK commands higher prices.

Low quantity produced, unique variation = collectible!!
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