PPK Reliability Issues

[halfmoonclip]

Originally Posted by MGMike

Me neither.

M

Planned obsolescence/lack of durability as applied to pistols?
Don't let Nader get wind of it.
Moon

[SARGE7402]

I've had three PPK/s, and one PPK all in 380 and none of the problems you all are describing.

No I've not had a S&W. Also just to keep things realistic, I carry my present PPK as a back up to my State issued Sig 229.

It's loaded with Buffalo Bore 100 grain solids and goes bang every time I've pulled the trigger.

Also, I've got three .22 Walther's (no not a P22. PP series pistols) and all like to be shot and haven't had any trouble with them

[Iron Man]

Originally Posted by austinmc62

Europe in the time of the PP’s creation was not exactly crime ridden with gun violence. So I doubt that multiple magazine engagements against other armed persons were ever anticipated in its design...if it were subjected to the type of exposure say that a Glock can regularly take. I doubt in the time that they were designed, that the average civilian police officer or even every minor Nazi party official that carried one has ever fired more than 200 rounds through these pistols in the lifetime that they had them...

I don't know where you got your information, but at the time of the creation of the PP there was a little skirmish going on called World War I. It was supposedly caused by the Germans (thus the restrictions imposed by the treaty of Versailles), and in war people generally die from gun shot wounds. The Germans also used the Luger which had more open functioning parts than the Walther. The Russians used revolvers (Nagant) and small caliber auto loaders (Mauser). The British were also using revolvers. The good old U.S.A. was having their soldiers sport around with the 1911 (good move on our part).

Try comparing all of those to a Glock (which is like comparing an apple to an elephant). Oh, and of the aforementioned, if I had my choice between a Glock or any of the others the 1911 and Walther would win hands down.

Handguns in general are close combat weapons. On the battlefield most weapons fired are rifles. In many instances none of the aforementioned pistols ever fired 200 rounds or more in combat, but you are assuming that in training they weren't required to fire the weapons either.

I find no basis in fact for any of your statements, and thusly consider your argument invalid.

[austinmc62]

Originally Posted by Iron Man

I don't know where you got your information, but at the time of the creation of the PP there was a little skirmish going on called World War I.

Actually for the record since you deal in fact. WWI ended in November 1918. The Walther PP was introduced in 1929 and the PPK in 1931. I sir, find that you have no basis in fact for your comments. I suggest you confine your comments to areas you are informed in as early 20th century small automatic pistols and world history are not your strong suit.

[153]

Are you guys being funny.... .

The history pronounced here sounds like a skit from "Saturday Night Live".

I suggest you both sit down with a good book on either the history of the Walther automatics or World Wars One & Two, then post.

[searcher451]

I would suggest a visit and registration here:

Armchair General and HistoryNet >> The Best Forums in History

Either that or take it to PM. We seem to be straying a bit from the original intent of the thread.

[Iron Man]

Sorry guys, on the history bit. I had written a post much longer than that in Word because writting long posts sometimes gets you logged out.

I copy and pasted parts to make one post and had some things out of order.

I know when WWI was over and in 1929 Germany and the rest of the world was in depression. This is what made the Nazi party a shoe-in for Germany and paved the road for Hitler.

Production of Walthers exploded (figuratively) along with everything shortly thereafter when Hitler began violating the Treaty of Versailles.

My point in the later paragraphs was the comparison of wartime weapons. I would like to add to that list, the Browning Hi Power and the 1903 Colt pocket hammerless which was an officer's pistol and was also a .32 ACP.

Regardless, the dependability issues and comparison to Glock of any weapons of WWI, WWII, or even Viet Nam is still indeed like comparing apples to elephants.

I would like to see references for statements as bold as those made about the lack of dependability of the PP series.

[searcher451]

Let's again take the history to PMs, guys. Or start a new thread in the General Discussion, perhaps ... that would work as well. Thanks.

[MGMike]

I'm young and busy and I don't study much, but I learned better than that.

World War 2 was when we invaded Iraq.

It was because the Japanese cut off our oil.

M

[Iron Man]

Okay, now THAT was funny!!