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Old 06-08-2010, 09:22 AM   #1
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Value if a 7.65 cal PP Walther

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I inherited a Walther pistol from my grandfather. I do not know how he obtained the gun, so I need some help. (I'm not a professional gun collector, so please bare with my terminology!)

The information I need is: (1) is this gun pre-WWII or post-WWII? (2) what is an approx value? (3) what does RFV stand for? (4) what does "blued" mean and how can you tell if the gun is blued?

Here's what I know about the gun: it is semi-automatic pistol, 8 shot magazine, 3 7/8 barrel, 6 5/16 overall length. It has fixed sights and checkered plastic grips.

Stamped on the left side:Waffenfabrik Walther, Zella-Mehlis Walther's Patent Cal 7,65m/m Mod PP

Stamped on the right side: serial# 245XXXp. There is also a proof mark on the extractor (not on the slide). It is an eagle (I can not tell if there is a letter designated under the eagle).

Stamped on the grip: R.F.V. 21549W

The gun is in good condition - all the stamped writing is visible. The clip has some rust on it. If someone can tell me how to post a photo, I have several views of the gun!

Thank you so much for your help!!!!!
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Old 06-08-2010, 10:27 AM   #2
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Lucky you. Treasure that pistol.

The serial number indicates that your police pistol was made at the Walther plant in Zella-Mehlis in 1942. If it contains no import stamp, it was likely brough into the country by a returning vet after the war. "Blued" indicates the protective finish that was applied to the pistol when it was made; it's literally a color. The RFV stamp indicates that your pistol was made for a person working in the Reichsfinanzverwaltung, the Reich Finance Administration. You'll want to remove the magazine and do some research on rust removal; it'll depend on how bad it is, of course, but take steps now rather than later.

You'll want to spend some time here:

http://www.waltherforums.com/showthread.php?t=10152

Be sure you go here as well to see the various proof marks, which will tell you about the crown stamp in particular:

https://store.bluebookinc.com/Info/P...Proofmarks.pdf

As for posting photos:

http://www.waltherforums.com/showthread.php?t=10404

And yes, we'll need photos to properly assess an approximate value, not that you'd ever want to sell a piece of family history like that.

Recommended reading: "Walther Pistols Models 1 Through P99" by Dieter Marschall, available from Ucross Books in Los Alamos, New Mexico, and readily available online for less than $20.

Hope that helps a bit for starters.
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Old 06-08-2010, 11:51 AM   #3
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Thank you so much Searcher 451! I know have some photos of the gun ... can anyone assess a value? see photos here:

http://s920.photobucket.com/albums/a...ten22/Walther/
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Welcome...

I agree with Searcher but would expect the proof stamp to be an Eagle/N based on the serial number & "P" suffix. In addition to Nazi finance bureaucrats the RFV stamped Walther PP's were issued to Nazi Border Guards and Customs officials. The RFV property stamped Walther PP & PPK pistols are sought after by collectors. Value depends on the condition of the gun and any accessories.

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Milspec is right regarding the proof mark. The crown/N is correct for the war guns and the date of your pistol. (Milspec is generally always right, by the way.) The condition of the piece will determine its suggested value, though it's often hard to say what might happen with a clear collector-prized piece like an RFV-stamped Walther PP. Determined collectors can get into bidding wars on the auction boards and drive the prices upward past sanity ... though again, you wouldn't want to sell this one -- right?
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Old 06-08-2010, 01:18 PM   #6
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Thanks for all the info guys! I am planning to keep the gun - it's an interesting piece of history! Can you please take a look at the photos and tell me what you think?

http://s920.photobucket.com/albums/a...ten22/Walther/
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Old 06-08-2010, 01:22 PM   #7
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Sorry, mcaten. Your link doesn't go anywhere for me. Please try posting it again. Once you upload to Photobucket, take the very last code at the very bottom of the four provided beneath the picture in question, copy it, and then attach it here. That should make the photo pop up for all to see.
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Oops... not sure what was up with that link... here is another link -- I have an album posted with a total of 7 photos... thanks again! http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/a...gun-1-post.jpg
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Well, that one does link us to one photo, but it's hard to tell what's what with the gun from that single picture. It does look as though the finish is mostly gone -- true? If so, it would affect the overall value of the gun.

In any event, post others if you have them. Thanks in advance.
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Hi again! Here are links to a few more photos - please take a look and let me know what you think! I really really appreciate all the help I'm getting - this forum is awesome!

http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/a...rgun-8post.jpg
http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/a...gun-1-post.jpg
http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/a...rgun-4post.jpg
http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/a...rgun-5post.jpg
http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/a...rgun-3post.jpg
http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/a...rgun-7post.jpg
http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/a...rgun-6post.jpg
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