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Old 01-26-2009, 12:15 PM   #1
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PK380 vs. PPK??

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Which is a better choice and why? Thanks, Greg
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Old 01-26-2009, 12:22 PM   #2
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that might be hard to answer since the pk380 isn't available to the public yet, at least here in the U.S. But if it shoots well, I'm gonna look into buying a PK380.
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Old 01-26-2009, 12:30 PM   #3
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I was told today from Walther that they will be released in 1 month, today is1/26/2009.
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Old 01-26-2009, 02:44 PM   #4
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I have had my CCL for 2 months and currently carry an Interarms PPK/S with a Crimson Trace laser grips.

Through practice my groupings have improved since the CCL range qualification but are still 2 low and left at 10 yards. I still need to work more on a firm, not tight grip, and a smooth, not jerking, trigger pull.

New PPKs and PPK/Ss in the USA are manufactured by Smith & Wesson under license from Walther. I have heard that people with large hands have a real problem with slide bite from PPKs and PPK/Ss. As I understand it this is why S&W re-designed and extended the beaver tail tang. Keep this possibility in mind if you have larger hands.

The only negative comments that I have heard is that new PPK/Ss seem to be prone to FTF for the first 200 to 300 rounds especially with JHP ammunition - maybe one per 20 to 30. I experience this but as the ramp and mag springs are broken-in this annoyance has gone away. IMO, I would not truly trust a SD gun until over 500 rounds.

I have thought about going up to a 9mm and really like the feel and grip of a P99 so I had a P99c AS on order for 6-weeks. With the introduction of the PK380, which will have the interchangeable back straps like the P99 and P22, I have changed my order to a PK380.

Here are the rounds and dimensions of the most popular Walther handguns:

PPK .380 6+1 L/H/W: 6.1"/3.8"/.98"

PPK/S .380 7+1 L/H/W: 6.1"/4.3"/.98"

PK380 .380 8+1 L/H/W: 6.5"/5.2"/1.2"

P99c 9mm 10+1 L/H/W: 6.6"/4.3"/1.3"

P99 9mm 15+1 L/H/W: 7.1"/5.3"/1.3"

P22 .22 10+1 L/H/W: 6.3"/4.5"/1.1"

PPK and PPK/S are metal slide and frame. P22, PK380 and P99 are steel upper and polymer frame. Personally, I would choose a stainless PPK/S over a PPK and a Interarms or Walther-Germany over a S&W. As a first gun, I would choose a PPK/S over a PK380 - ideally a blued Germany made 1980 or earlier PPK/S.

As an aside

On a PPK/S, the CT laser grip switches is beneath the middle finger and in my case, in order on keep the laser lit, I was over-gripping the gun hence low and left shots. I needed to remember that a laser is just an aid. It is proper sight alignment and trigger pull that results in tight centered groups. I have gotten to the point were I do not pay much attention if the laser is lit or were the light lands.

I primarily got the laser for nighttime or if there were a SD incident where getting into a position to obtain adequate sight alignment was not possible. If nothing else then I should at least be able to light up and shoot.
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Old 02-19-2009, 05:54 PM   #5
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Is anyone speculating on whether or not the PK380 would experience the same slide galling that happens with the P22?
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Old 02-19-2009, 08:08 PM   #6
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pk380 has a steel slide like the p99 so that may cure that problem the p22 has a zinc slide
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Old 03-06-2009, 09:45 AM   #7
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I'll go on a limb here and say that if you can afford and conceal a PK380, you can afford and conceal a PPS in 9mm.

9mm has more energy at 25 yards than .380 ACP does at the muzzle, there are more self defense loadings available, and practice ammo is relatively cheap and plentiful.

Not sure about how I feel about the .40 as far as shooting it goes, but as a defensive round it certainly has had few complaints.
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I have a .40 P99 AS and am looking at a seconday carry weapon and it is a toss up between the PK380 and the 9mm PPS. A .380 ACP is a 9mm bullet, however it can only have up to a 115 grain load. Sure it doesn't have all of long-range force of a 9mm Luger but it does have the same impact zone. I for one would not differentiate a .380 ACP from a 9mm Luger in a self defense situation. Then again I wouldn't carry either as a primary in a self defense capacity either, however if you are deadly accurate with a .380 or 9mm then it really doesn't matter.
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Old 04-08-2009, 06:29 PM   #9
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Placement is what counts, not how big or how many.
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Old 04-09-2009, 11:19 AM   #10
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Placement is what counts, not how big or how many.
The problem is that in a gunfight placement becomes very difficult, somewhat ify, so it may well come down to how big and how many, with misses and less than optimal shot placement. Seven or eight rounds of 9mm or eight rounds of .380? Doesn't seem like that much of a choice to me.

.380's are hot right now (and ammo unobtanium) so it seems to me that Walther jumped on the .380 bandwagon more because they could and less so that they have the right platform for a gun small enough to compete with the LCP, Kel or NAA.

I'm having a very difficult time understanding the PK380 considering the PPS. The only pluses I see on the 380 is that it is hammer fired (for those who prefer that) and holds one more round and possibly price.

Of course, I didn't understand the PPS when it came out and now I consdier it to be one of the finest guns made, unsurpasssed for it's intended duty. That said, I'll probably own a PK380
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