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Old 09-06-2011, 06:24 PM   #1
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Does anyone out there own both? If so in .380 caliber can I get a comparison. My wife is losing faith in her PK380 and might go for a PPK.
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Old 09-06-2011, 07:05 PM   #2
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The PPK is a fine weapon, but it's a hand-beater in .380 ACP. Even the newer version from S&W, with the extended tang -- while helpful for many, me included -- isn't the be-all, end-all solution for a blowback design. It's a pleasure to shoot in .32, and it's a joy to shoot in .22, but the .380 round is tough on the shooter (beyond a few magazines) at the range, IMO.

The PK380's tilt-barrel design is far easier to shoot for extended periods. Whether the pistol itself will hold up under the long haul is another matter, of course. The PP design has been around since 1929 (the PPK since 1931) and, like the Energizer bunny, those two keep going, and going, and going. The PK380 has been out since 2008 and has experienced some teething pains.
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Old 09-06-2011, 08:26 PM   #3
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I have owned both.. I bought a used PK 380 from a box store for $240. Took it to the range once (I was new to handguns at this time). Shot with a couple of friends who shoot Glock 19s and XDMs..

My PK 380 ran very well. NEVER had a FTF, or FTE. I shot Fiocchi ammo exclusively. Thinking the caliber was too small I sold it.

I bought a PPK/S (S&W) as a gift to myself about 6 months ago, and it left a lot to be desired. I couldn't rely on it even at the range.

After selling it, I soon had the PPK bug again, and bought another new S&W PPK/S. This one worked pretty well. Shot the white box and Fiocchi just fine.

But as searcher said, it's a hand beater. It's been three months since I shot it and sold it and I still have a sign of it's tang on my hand.

I realize this is a Walther forum, and blasphemy is looked down upon, but if you want an uber reliable .380, IMHO the Beretta 84/85 FS "Cheetah" is the best blowback pistol out there. I've shot versions that have never been cleaned and they work perfectly with whatever ammo you feed it. Steel, brass, doesn't matter. My only gripe with the Cheetah for a carry gun is that being a blowback the slide is not only harder to pull back to chamber a round, but there's a lot less to grab as it's significantly smaller.

That said, it has a decocker, bar-dot sights (which I like) and can be had with a narrow grip if you choose the 8 round stacked mag. The other variant holds 13 rounds.

The only major downfall of the Cheetah to me is....... price. They are expensive, but even a used one will be reliable.

If you have to have a PPK, I'd buy an Interarms version for the reliability.

As far as the PPK vs PK, my working PPK/S was much more accurate - at least for me. Easier to hide than a PK for sure...especially the PPK.

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Old 09-16-2011, 05:20 PM   #4
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I have a new S&W PPK/S .380 took it to the range today, it shot great no FTF or FTE no jams.

It's very accurate since it's a small handgun you need to get a firm grip on it.

I did not find the recoil to be hard on my hand, but I also shoot a Glock23 .40 and it really has a sharp recoil you quickly feel .
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Old 09-20-2011, 02:53 AM   #5
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I use the James Bond grip....seriously. One hand on with the gun, the other stabilizing my arm. I shot 2" groups at 20 feet.
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Old 12-06-2011, 11:41 AM   #6
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Smile PK380 Problems Ironed Out

Sent gun to S&W. received a new gun. This one looks to have been throated and the parrel lockup is great. Thanks Smith and Wesson.
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Old 12-30-2011, 04:46 PM   #7
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I've owned three or four PPK PPK/s all in .380. Shot them with premium ammo for the most part. I'm a cop and it was my off duty / back up weapon. Never had an issue with FTF, FTE or otherwise.

And no they werent' cleaned after every use. And they were taken from what ever holster (pocket, ankle or otherwise) they were carried in and shot with what was in the magazine at the time. Never had a problem with what was in the mag or the back up magazine I carried along with the weapon.

Currently I shoot Buffalo Bore 100 Grain Flat Point Lead.

Yes it will sting if you fire several hundred rounds in an afternoon. But a couple of magazines twice a month is not big deal.
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Old 12-31-2011, 01:31 PM   #8
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Before she decides to change have her compare 'racking the slide' of the PK380 versus a .380 PPK or PPK/S.

There is a world of difference in the effort needed to rack the slide of a blowback .380 vs. the locking-breech PK380.

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Update from my previous post, I've been shooting my IJ-70 9mm Makarov a lot lately and it's awesome.. My S&W PPK/S has been shooting well too.
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