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Old 01-05-2017, 11:15 AM   #1
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P99c or P30sk

Full circle: Started looking at PPS as a compact gun, then figured that a 99c would be a better approach for a small gun. I like the 99c, as it has pretty much flawless feedback on the www, and seems to be just as accurate and reliable a the 99. Handled one in a LGS, and the thing didn't even stack at the end in DA like one of my full size guns. Nice, but pricey - at the LGS over $600. I know I can get one online for $500.

But, then I stumbled onto a thread and realized I COULD get a P30sk for the same price. Drawback: 3 more oz., and a tad larger. I LIKE the solid quality feel of a hammer gun, and I like the VERY smooth DA of the HK - NO stacking at all, and every one I've tried had little to NO grit - which I seem to always have in the 99 series. This smoothness overrides the weight and helps you keep the sights steady through the END of the pull.

I know some here own and/or shoot both

Do you NEED a pinky extension on the 99c and SK? I always think that 3 oz DOES mean something when carrying - what is your experience if you have tried both. P99c gets good comments in this area. Is the SK about the same thickness? (I know it is not but only the slide stop - right?) Any other thoughts? I just know that the P30 series grip just feels right, and unlike the P99 series, the texturing is about perfect.

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Both terrific pistols and it boils down to personal decision of what works best for one.

I bought a P30SK LEM. I like having the hammer and have found I can shoot the LEM well. I also like that I can use both 13 round and 15 round magazines in my P30SK and typically CCW it with 13 rounds. The P99C, as far as I know, only has an option to use the 15 round magazine with the grip extender. I have not tried the P99C with 10 round magazine but I have found I can shoot the P30SK well with the flush fit 10 round magazine which gives me a lot of options for CCW. I don't find the extra couple an ounces an issue. With the 13 round magazine the P30SK is the same height as the HK P2000 which is 5.07 inches versus

BTW the PPS is a fantastic CCW pistol and IMHO best of breed of the single stack 9MM poly pistols. SO comfortable to conceal and a great shooter that is not only crazy accurate but also a very soft shooter, at least for me. I CCW mine with the 7 round magazine and can get a full grip on it.

Again with the P99C and P30SK both fantastic very top tier German made subcompact double stack pistols but you need to decide what works best for you.

Pictures below show me gripping my P30SK with both standard 10 round magazine and 13 round magazine with P2000SK grip extender for comparison.







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The P30 will have a softer recoil impulse, and the P99 will have a better trigger. Everything else should pretty much be about equal.

I, personally, would go for the P99c, since a better trigger has more of an influence on me shooting better, than a softer recoil impulse.

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The P99C, as far as I know, only has an option to use the 15 round magazine with the grip extender.
I've seen pictures on this forum of people who used +2 extenders on their P99c mags to get more rounds out of them and give them a small finger rest. I don't remember who did this, or how many rounds the mags held.
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I've seen pictures on this forum of people who used +2 extenders on their P99c mags to get more rounds out of them and give them a small finger rest. I don't remember who did this, or how many rounds the mags held.
Yeah so have I. I was referring to factory available options and prefer a factory magazine with extended capacity especially for my CCW pistol. Since HK already offers 13 round magazines for the P2000/USPC that was easy for them to do.
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I've got the PPS and P99AS and have fired the P30SK. I have no issue with grittiness in my P99 and never have had any. I have to say that I like hammer fired weapons better, generally, than strikers and was prepared to like the HK a lot. I found that I missed the decocker on the P99 now that I am used to it. I also think the trigger on the P99 is better, although marginally.

I've toyed with the idea of a P99C but can't justify it with a terrific PPS Classic already as my CC weapon. I agree with Grumpy1 that "the PPS is a fantastic CCW pistol and IMHO best of breed of the single stack 9MM poly pistols." After looking at 10+ single stack 9s a year ago the PPS Classic was clearly the best, with only one other even close, of the bunch for me. And that was after I had a terrible experience with a completely unreliable Interarms PPK/S 20+ years ago (so I was NOT a Walther fanboy at that point at all).
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Ok, we own both a Walther P99as Compact and the H&K P30sk.

(1) the Walther even though it's
Only a few ounces lighter I
definitely feel it's lighter
Weight and the H&K does
Feel a little chunkier but
It's not a big deal.

(2) The H&K has a more seemless comfortable feel in my hand (small hands).

(3) Both are DA/SA. I like both the DA/SA on the Walther over the H&K. I also give the reset on the Walther the edge. Also
The DA on the H&K is noticeably heavier than the Walther.

I like both and shoot both very well; However most of the time when I carry a pistol this size I carry my G26.
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.....I like both and shoot both very well; However most of the time when I carry a pistol this size I carry my G26.
Why? Do you shoot better with it or is it the 10 rounds? (or something else). I can't shoot worth a darn with a Glock but the PPS in my hands sings as does the P99.
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P99c or P30sk

I didn't say I shoot the G26 better than the Walther or H&K.

I generally grab the G26 to carry because I have owned it
Longer and am more use to the striker format. I do carry the P99as C
And shoot it and the H&K P30sk with basically the same accuracy.

The Glock grip angle does not bother me. I can take my G30S
to the range with a 1911 45 and after shooting both targets will look about the same.

I don't see as well as we did in past years but we practice mostly at 10 yards using paper
Pie plates as targets and mostly keep all our rounds in a 3 1/2 inch circle even our single stacks with some in an even tighter grouping, 1911's, Sigs, an H&K VP9 and my G30S.

My only exception is the H&K P30sk I sometimes throw a round out of the 3 1/2 inch circle when firing DA. No issue on DA with the Walther P99as Compact, my Sigs and my little
Kahr CM9.

It's the harder DA pull on the H&K P30sk but we are working on it. It just takes practice.

We do shoot 3 to 5 times a week (mostly closer to 5) so we will get the DA under control on the P30sk.

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Thanks folks - very good information.

One thing I like about the HK DA/SA is the smoothness and NO stacking. All P99s seem to stack - yes, the grit generally works out with a bunch of firing and dry firing, but you still don't have a uniform pull. I also feel that the build on a hammer gun just feels better - doesn't mean it is.

I held a P99c again tonight, and its funny, when I held say a MP Compact next to it - it felt a little more comfortable. But, I like DA/SA for carry.

I also think adding 1 or 2 rounds is easier on the HK. They have come down in price.
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I didn't say I shoot the G26 better than the Walther or H&K.

I generally grab the G26 to carry because I have owned it
Longer and am more use to the striker format. I do carry the P99as C
And shoot it and the H&K P30sk with basically the same accuracy.

The Glock grip angle does not bother me. I can take my G30S
to the range with a 1911 45 and after shooting both targets will look about the same.

I don't see as well as we did in past years but we practice mostly at 10 yards using paper
Pie plates as targets and mostly keep all our rounds in a 3 1/2 inch circle even our single stacks with some in an even tighter grouping, 1911's, Sigs, an H&K VP9 and my G30S.

My only exception is the H&K P30sk I sometimes throw a round out of the 3 1/2 inch circle when firing DA. No issue on DA with the Walther P99as Compact, my Sigs and my little
Kahr CM9.

It's the harder DA pull on the H&K P30sk but we are working on it. It just takes practice.

We do shoot 3 to 5 times a week (mostly closer to 5) so we will get the DA under control on the P30sk.
Thanks for the answer. Just FYI - I was asking if you shot with it better, which would be the best reason I can think of to carry one equivalently reliable handgun over another.
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