P22 stovepipes 10th round: Magazine information

[bondjamesbond]

My p-22 stovepipes the last round out of the magazine on EVERY firing cycle..... anybody else having this problem? If so, is there a simple (or difficult) solution to this problem?

[bigfatdave]

I assume you've checked your extractor and ejector for damage?

[jbr01]

What type of ammo are you using? What do you usually do to clean and lube your gun? Stovepipes are usually caused by under powered ammo. Try switching to CCI MiniMags or Remmington Golden Bullets. My bet is that your problems will then go away. Let us know.

[MGMike]

If it occurs only on the 10th round, it's not an ammo problem.

I'm with Dave: it's likely the extractor, but not necessarily damaged; maybe just needs to be dismantled and cleaned. What I suspect is that the 10th round is not being supported during extraction by a cartridge in the magazine beneath it, so it is entirely dependent upon the extractor to hold it in place until it hits the ejector.

M

[jbr01]

The P22 does not extract shells they are blown back and pivot out of the port by bouncing off the ejector. Perhaps there is some issue with the ejector or perhaps when the gun was put back together it was forgotten or dropped out entirely. How about some shots of the internal area of the gun in question.

[MGMike]

This is getting monotonous, but...

If it occurs only on the 10th round, it's not an ejector problem either. How do rounds 1-9 get ejected?

M

[jbr01]

You can totally remove the extractor and rounds will still get tossed out the side of the gun. I'm wondering if he gets the same results with different mags.
The last round in the mag has only the plastic base as support (you could put 3 rounds in and then he should get the same issue) because after the round is fired the shell is kind of on it's own. Maybe we need more info and some pics. How about telling us how old the gun is , if you have "A" type mags, or "B" type mags. If you have done any mods to the P22 etc. More info is always helpful.

[MGMike]

Seldom does one meet such determined resistance to straightforward logic.

M

[1917-1911M]

Originally Posted by bondjamesbond

My p-22 stovepipes the last round out of the magazine on EVERY firing cycle..... anybody else having this problem? If so, is there a simple (or difficult) solution to this problem?

This is usually a magazine problem. What magazines do you have? If there are the ones with the short stagger slot or no tagger slot. That is your problem. Also, what ammo are you using? The last round does eject slightly differently from the others due to the follower being under the spent case rather than a full round but........magazine problem. M1911

[1917-1911M]

Originally Posted by MGMike

If it occurs only on the 10th round, it's not an ammo problem.

I'm with Dave: it's likely the extractor, but not necessarily damaged; maybe just needs to be dismantled and cleaned. What I suspect is that the 10th round is not being supported during extraction by a cartridge in the magazine beneath it, so it is entirely dependent upon the extractor to hold it in place until it hits the ejector.

M

Nope, the extractor should have nothing to do with it. The stock extractors on P22s old style or new don't hold the spent case on the face of the beech block nor is the face recessed in a manner that allows the rim to be caught and held in a secure location. This is all part of the problems P22s had with the large gap between the extractor tip and the breech face which allows the case to just float around.

A P22 will eject spent cases very nicely with no extractor. Even better with a properly fitted custom extractor. Even the VQ model did not tighten tolerances quite enough. I sent them all of the threads with pictures of what I had done and asked them to produce some tighter tolerance extractors. They offer some nice ones.....but there is a still too large a gap although they are better than the revised Walther ones.

Cleaning never hurts, but if it is only the last round....magazine problem. Magazines need to operate correctly, be cleaned and lubed like any other part of the firearm and are just as important as any other part on a semi auto pistol. What year pistol, what magazines? M1911