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Old 09-19-2010, 07:31 PM   #51
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I get befuddled and confused easily these days. The Treasury agency that bought the 12 Walther MPK submachine guns was the Customs Service, not the Secret Service.

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Old 09-19-2010, 08:57 PM   #52
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A shotgun might as well be a tank indoors. Once you touch off ONE shot, you will be totally blinded and possibly deaf. Unless you plan on also putting on ear muffs before pulling the trigger. It also depends on what you mean by "trumps". Even shotguns loaded with buckshot or slugs have been known to NOT stop a bad guy with one shot. At least with a handgun I will have a chance at follow-up shots if necessary.
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I've had the misfortune of having fired a 12 gauge 18" barreled Mossberg inside my home twice. Both events occurred after dark. I was neither blinded nor deafened on either occasion.

I'm not sure why you feel follow up shots would be a difficulty either.
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Old 09-19-2010, 10:35 PM   #53
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One thing is certain: The shotgun, regardless of make or model, hardly qualifies as a sweet shooter. It does, however, make a fine defensive weapon.
Absolutely correct. A 12-gauge shotgun is not "sweet" at all. It is brutal. At both ends.

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Old 09-19-2010, 10:51 PM   #54
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Even with a riot-length shotgun, practice is essential. You have to be able to handle the gun instinctively, in the dark, by touch alone, and point accurately without seeing the sights.

I used to practice with a riot gun by occasionally shooting a round of skeet with it. I would miss more birds than if I had used a proper skeet gun (and took a lot of ribbing and strange stares) but my Winchester Model 12 came to be a very familiar companion. It breaks exactly in the middle, so it can travel inconspicuously in a duffle bag. That's handy when traveling in states where handguns are restricted.

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Old 09-19-2010, 11:25 PM   #55
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The semi-auto Reising Model 60 is a great home defense gun. Its .45 caliber cartridge can put a bad guy down with a single shot. After that the long barrel and heavy walnut stock make it a very effective club...



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Old 09-20-2010, 08:49 AM   #56
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That's about all the Reising is good for: a single shot. They are so poorly made and rough inside that they are just the opposite of a "sweet" gun. They are sour. Even that single shot requires one to overcome a typically horrible trigger pull.

For less money one can buy an H&K USC carbine in .45 which makes no pretense to being "sweet". It's tasteless, uncomfortable and unfriendly, but it's well made and it works.

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Old 09-20-2010, 12:27 PM   #59
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mine says the same thing about me.....I guess after beeing married for so many years, you would hope they would say that....
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By "sweet" I mean just a thorough and complete delight to shoot, silky and easy action and trigger, smooth recoil impulse, unfailingly reliable, more accurate than I can hold, and above all, satisfying. No unpleasant sting in recoil, no gritty take-up, no slide that has to be yanked forcefully open, no empties ejected into your forehead, no struggle to load the mag, or to latch & unlatch it, no silly sights that are visible only to teen-agers --none of those niggling little things that annoy, even though the gun may undeniably be a "good" gun. M
It's interesting to me that the P99 has not been brought up, although one could argue it is more "clever" pistol than "sweet". Still a good 9 mm is usually a pretty nice shooter, I find my 92fs shoots as nice as my 226, the BHP is also a good shooter with a tad more wieght.

I do find myself that a nice blue steel revolver has the heft. looks and trigger pull that pretty much define "sweet" for me. The accuracy part of the equation I find to be more elusive - depending on how sharp I am on a given day and how close the target is.
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