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Old 01-05-2017, 08:20 AM   #11
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Some war era P38s (I'm thinking Sweden or a similar country) may have been passed down by family members and therefore have a know ownership record but for most especially those issued to the German troops it would be difficult to document.

In fact even a P38 with military acceptance stamps may never have seen service.
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Old 01-06-2017, 08:41 AM   #12
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It not only difficult, but impossible to know to whom it was issued. If there was the info was recorded it is long gone with a lot of other records from WWII.

Special award guns to High ranking NAZI officials were usually PPK's, PP's or Sauer 38H's rather than P.38s.
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Some war era P38s (I'm thinking Sweden or a similar country) may have been passed down by family members and therefore have a know ownership record but for most especially those issued to the German troops it would be difficult to document.

In fact even a P38 with military acceptance stamps may never have seen service.
Even that would be suspect.

After all, how many people have we seen show up here on the board wanting information on a PP or PPK that their father or grand father claimed to have captured in WWII, and then post a picture of a post war commercial or police PP, PPK or even PPK/S?

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We'd have the same problem here with arms used in US service. I was issued 3 different M16A1s in my comparatively short service and while records were kept at the time, I doubt they were retained more than a few years at best, and even if they still existed now, finding those weapon specific unit based records would be nearly impossible.

Add in the facts that;
1. Germany was defeated;
2. many units and their administrative sections and records just disappeared in the fog of war;
3. many records were intentionally burned at the end of the war; and
4. nearly 72 years have passed since the German surrender

and it's clear that finding a record showing even the initial issue of a specific pistol would be a very daunting challenge and that finding records of the last person to whom it was issued would be far more difficult and tracing it's whole wartime history would be nearly impossible.

At best you see one now and the with a capture document that indicates who brought it home to the US, or you find one that was definitely documented as taken from a well known personage who surrendered at the end of the war.
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Old 01-06-2017, 09:23 AM   #14
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In fact even a P38 with military acceptance stamps may never have seen service.
Pistols in general across armies in WWII were more often than not intended for use by admin and support troops and their role in the hands of a front line combat troop was as a secondary weapon.

P.38s were also issued to internal security and police forces and as such may never have seen military service. We had similar service patterns with US issued handguns in WWII, such as Smith and Wesson Victory Model .38 Special revolvers that were issued directly to plant security guards without ever being military issue weapons.
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...finding a record showing even the initial issue of a specific pistol would be a very daunting challenge and that finding records of the last person to whom it was issued would be far more difficult and tracing it's whole wartime history would be nearly impossible.
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Oh I dunno. One of the better-known auction houses seems to have an absolutely astounding capacity for tracing (recently-engraved) Walthers back to high-ranking Nazi officials.

What, you're not a believer?

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